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You're trans-...what?

lovesong

:D
Premium Member
Recently I've come across three new types of trans identity; trans-age, trans-racial, and trans-species. First let me define these terms, since they can carry multiple interpretations I want to make it clear which I'm referring to. Trans-age refers to a person who believes that they are a different age than their body is and choose to live life as someone of their preferred age. Trans-racial refers to a person who believes that they were born in the wrong skin, essentially (by trans-racial I'm not referring to those who were adopted into a family of a different race and therefore identify as part of that racial group, I'm referring to those who truly believe they were born into the wrong skin color). Trans-species refers to people who believe they are a non-human wrongly born in a human body, commonly referred to as otherkin.

The most problematic aspect of any of these are the legal implications of trans-age. If one claims to be younger than they are, are they bound by the legal restrictions of that age? What if they no longer feel that way? What if someone claims to be older, can a child then gain legal permission to do adult things such as drink and marry?

Are these new identities taking things to far? Do they differ at all from their socially accepted counterparts; mature for your age/childish, fitting in better with a different racial community, and having a spirit animal/feelings spiritually connected to an animal? If so, how? If we choose to legally recognize these identities, how would we adapt the laws? Do you see these identities as legitimate or simply a form of delusion?

I'm not going to answer these questions myself, I'm more interested in what you all think. So, new trans identities; a-ok or no way?
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Recently I've come across three new types of trans identity; trans-age, trans-racial, and trans-species. First let me define these terms, since they can carry multiple interpretations I want to make it clear which I'm referring to. Trans-age refers to a person who believes that they are a different age than their body is and choose to live life as someone of their preferred age. Trans-racial refers to a person who believes that they were born in the wrong skin, essentially (by trans-racial I'm not referring to those who were adopted into a family of a different race and therefore identify as part of that racial group, I'm referring to those who truly believe they were born into the wrong skin color). Trans-species refers to people who believe they are a non-human wrongly born in a human body, commonly referred to as otherkin.

The most problematic aspect of any of these are the legal implications of trans-age. If one claims to be younger than they are, are they bound by the legal restrictions of that age? What if they no longer feel that way? What if someone claims to be older, can a child then gain legal permission to do adult things such as drink and marry?

Are these new identities taking things to far? Do they differ at all from their socially accepted counterparts; mature for your age/childish, fitting in better with a different racial community, and having a spirit animal/feelings spiritually connected to an animal? If so, how? If we choose to legally recognize these identities, how would we adapt the laws? Do you see these identities as legitimate or simply a form of delusion?

I'm not going to answer these questions myself, I'm more interested in what you all think. So, new trans identities; a-ok or no way?

I find that kind of odd. How my family (and part culture views to) is

Trans-age for us would be: Ol' Soul or something similar.

Trans-racial usually would translate to someone who Is white but their skin tone is black. It goes far beyond color of the skin, though. Its deeply cultural.

Trans-species just sounds like sci-fi to me. My brother says (and I saw threads here) that he feels he is in the wrong body and that he isnt human. He refers to us as "you humans'" I dont know how to refer to individuals who thing thats. Trans species doesnt sound to right.

While there is more flucuation of a transgener female going into the female restroom, I think it would be harder for Ol' Souls to buy achohol underage because of his identity rather than his body and legal age. Like transgender, there are some things one cant do-say a male having a child. While children have the ability to drink achohol, its not healthy at all for their organs. Trans-racial,I dont see a problem. Trans-species it depends if that person can take care of him/herself, doesnt harm him/herself or others and is healthy then on a psychological level,I dont see it matters. Maybe socialwise or table talk conversation. I dont know. Its an isolating feeling, as I see in my brother.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
The most problematic aspect of any of these are the legal implications of trans-age. If one claims to be younger than they are, are they bound by the legal restrictions of that age?
The law is what it is. Until and unless it makes provisions for acknowledging trans-ageism, then sure, chronological age will be treated as the true age.

To me, that means that the laws should be adjusted to make such provisions as soon as it becomes socially possible to make them. Same as with LGBT or even divorce.

What if they no longer feel that way? What if someone claims to be older, can a child then gain legal permission to do adult things such as drink and marry?
Usually not, although there are exceptions. But you sound like you truly mean to ask whether that should be made possible, not whether it already is.


Are these new identities taking things to far?
That is a natural enough question, but it works far better if you don't invert it. The better question is whether we have matured enough to deal with recognition of those identity aspects.

Whether they take things too far is entirely a matter of whether we have learned to deal with them. First socially, then legally.

I would have hoped trans-racialism to be accepted enough as to be unremarkable and even unnecessary at this point, but I guess we aren't quite there yet.

Trans-ageism is a sleepy thing fighting to wake up. I have a touch of it myself.

Trans-specism apparently is a well developed thing, somewhat counter to my expectations. Or maybe it is just too difficult to ignore and therefore expressed itself more noticeably?

Do they differ at all from their socially accepted counterparts; mature for your age/childish, fitting in better with a different racial community, and having a spirit animal/feelings spiritually connected to an animal? If so, how?
IMO, in the social acceptance itself and the arrangements and/or accomodations that must then follow. Were people allowed to freely express their affinities, the labels themselves might well become unnecessary.

If we choose to legally recognize these identities, how would we adapt the laws?
To the best of our ability to accept those ways of living, I must assume.

Do you see these identities as legitimate or simply a form of delusion?
Plenty of delusions, such as nationality, are legitimate far as laws go. If anything, those three you mention have a lot more substance to them.

I'm not going to answer these questions myself, I'm more interested in what you all think. So, new trans identities; a-ok or no way?
They're of course a-ok, but in different ways.

Trans-ageism is a mostly a reaction to societal failure to provide proper developmental support.

Trans-racism may well seek to make itself unnecessary in the long run. It is certainly laudable or at least "mostly" harmless.

Trans-specism... I can't claim to understand it or to fully accept it, but I guess that is my problem to deal with. As long as they don't harm others, there is no logic to attempting to outlaw them.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
"Trans age" stuff is mostly a sexual fetish, as far as I know about it. Adult infants, ageplay, etc. aren't rare in the fetish scene. But if a person chooses to make it an important part of their identity and a daily part of how they live, I'd say they probably need therapy. They most likely have deep issues from their childhood that need to be addressed, because I don't see how you can live your life in a healthy and productive manner while trying to live as and identify as a child. There's something wrong there.

"Trans racial" seems to be a rather extreme way of identifying with another culture and it's usually based on stereotypes about that culture. Non-white cultures, especially in America are fetished and "othered" by white people so it's something exotic to them. It probably provides a sort of thrill to transgress perceived racial boundaries. I would try to suggest to such people that they examine the roots of their feelings and the social context they exist in.

As for "trans species", that could be a spiritual thing. For example, there's totem animals, spirit animals, power animals, etc. that go back deep into human prehistory. That's not new. People have also modified their bodies to look like non-human animals or millenia. It's a common shamanistic trait. But I can't comment too much on the new expression of that in the "otherkin" community.

Anyway, with all of those things, I'd rather try to understand them rather than judge them off the bat.
 

jeager106

Learning more about Jehovah.
Premium Member
The trans living as a 6 year old needs some serious mental help.
Really?
A pacifier, a baby doll, and dressing as a little girl?
Oh, my!
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
The trans living as a 6 year old needs some serious mental help.
Really?
A pacifier, a baby doll, and dressing as a little girl?
Oh, my!
That one seems very troubled, yes. I just hate when bigots use disturbed people like that as examples of transgender and transsexual people. Um, no. That one does not represent me. The video Mack posted pretty much hit the nail on the head with that one.
 

jeager106

Learning more about Jehovah.
Premium Member
That one seems very troubled, yes. I just hate when bigots use disturbed people like that as examples of transgender and transsexual people. Um, no. That one does not represent me. The video Mack posted pretty much hit the nail on the head with that one.

Yes. I get that. I feel the same way about some liberals using firearms tragedies as reasons
to take MINE away!
In southern Ohio 8 members of the same family were all shot in the head, executed.
Only 2 days later was it revealed the dead had a very large pot growing operation.
No doubt this was a druggie "hit" for some reason.
 

Ingledsva

HEATHEN ALASKAN
I saw a friend about a month ago - whom I know as Bi, - but he told me he was something else, - I don't remember the term, and I didn't get to ask him for clarification. But when he said it, I was wondering what the difference was, as he has had live-in relationships with both males and females, - lasting over two years each, for several of them.

He also said he was trans-species. This I can understand, if one feels different, and that they don't fit in anywhere. He also likes the furry fetish, and is really into being in the woods. I expect him to take up Parkour any day now, if he hasn't already, so he can run and jump from trees and rocks like other animals. :D

I liked what Saint Frankenstein said -

Saint Frankenstein said:
As for "trans species", that could be a spiritual thing. For example, there's totem animals, spirit animals, power animals, etc. that go back deep into human prehistory. That's not new. People have also modified their bodies to look like non-human animals or millenia. It's a common shamanistic trait. But I can't comment too much on the new expression of that in the "otherkin" community.

I'm not usually into this kind of thing - BUT - I seem to have a Spirit Animal.

A Black Wolf has appeared to me many times over the last couple of years.

I go for a walk, or a ride in the woods on my four-wheeler, or we go camping, and the Black Wolf will just step out of the brush and stare at me. I think he is expecting something - but I don't know what. :)

And he isn't imaginary. When I have people with me, they see him too.

*
 

Taylor Seraphim

Angel of Reason
Recently I've come across three new types of trans identity; trans-age, trans-racial, and trans-species. First let me define these terms, since they can carry multiple interpretations I want to make it clear which I'm referring to. Trans-age refers to a person who believes that they are a different age than their body is and choose to live life as someone of their preferred age. Trans-racial refers to a person who believes that they were born in the wrong skin, essentially (by trans-racial I'm not referring to those who were adopted into a family of a different race and therefore identify as part of that racial group, I'm referring to those who truly believe they were born into the wrong skin color). Trans-species refers to people who believe they are a non-human wrongly born in a human body, commonly referred to as otherkin.

The most problematic aspect of any of these are the legal implications of trans-age. If one claims to be younger than they are, are they bound by the legal restrictions of that age? What if they no longer feel that way? What if someone claims to be older, can a child then gain legal permission to do adult things such as drink and marry?

Are these new identities taking things to far? Do they differ at all from their socially accepted counterparts; mature for your age/childish, fitting in better with a different racial community, and having a spirit animal/feelings spiritually connected to an animal? If so, how? If we choose to legally recognize these identities, how would we adapt the laws? Do you see these identities as legitimate or simply a form of delusion?

I'm not going to answer these questions myself, I'm more interested in what you all think. So, new trans identities; a-ok or no way?

No.

Science has no shown any differences of the brain structure of these people yet.
 

1137

Here until I storm off again
Premium Member
Post modern BS for lost people to try and feel they're more in charge of themselves. The whole things is just a joke that takes us two steps back. Things like trans age are just plain and simple dumb. I'm sorry, but age is measured in a specific way. Even more common issues like transgender individuals simply encourage gender roles and a segregation between males and females. It's just bad, bad all around.
 

Taylor Seraphim

Angel of Reason
Post modern BS for lost people to try and feel they're more in charge of themselves. The whole things is just a joke that takes us two steps back. Things like trans age are just plain and simple dumb. I'm sorry, but age is measured in a specific way. Even more common issues like transgender individuals simply encourage gender roles and a segregation between males and females. It's just bad, bad all around.

There is a scientific basis for why transgender feel that way.
 

1137

Here until I storm off again
Premium Member
There is a scientific basis for why transgender feel that way.

Yes. And when you encourage individuals with penises to believe they are in the wrong body, you encourage the idea that men can only feel a certain way. I've been there and done that with this argument.
 

Smart_Guy

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Premium Member
I think I'm trans-cultural. I'm a Middle Eastern Saudi Arabian that speaks English and prefers mixing up with non Saudis/Arabs/Middle Easterners. I think I'm also trans-mature or something. I get along with those much younger than me more than those of my age!

I specially think I'm trans-handsome. That's beyond handsome. Is it just me or do I look more handsome today?
 
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