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Featured Your Suffering

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by SalixIncendium, Aug 13, 2021.

  1. SalixIncendium

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    Why do you suffer?

    Who is responsible for your suffering when you do suffer?

    Who has the ability to end your suffering?
     
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    My mental illness causes a lot of my suffering. Not going to dress up my own suffering as being ego or what have you, just acknowledge that the source of suffering for others can indeed be different.

    I am responsible at least somewhat for my mental illness as I once lived a risky lifestyle.

    Medication and time have the ability to end my suffering. Though I'm talking about healing and functioning very well in a normal world, when I use the phrase and context "end my suffering".
     
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  3. mikkel_the_dane

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    My suffering is in me, because suffering to me is my construct.

    So I am responsible and if I am lucky I can end it.
     
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    Define suffering. :)
     
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  5. mikkel_the_dane

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    Define define. ;)
     
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  6. SalixIncendium

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    My omission of a definition is intentional.

    Part of the purpose of this thread was to learn what people think suffering is.
     
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  7. mikkel_the_dane

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    To me suffering is not that something is bad, it is that bad is bad. The 2nd one is a cognitive construct and what makes it suffering.
     
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  8. Jayhawker Soule

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    It depends.

    It depends.

    It depends.

    Like most, to the extent that I "suffer," it is for any number of reasons having any number of causes and any number of more or less effective remediations.
     
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  9. SalixIncendium

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    Did you intentionally choose to not answer the other two questions? It's okay if you did. I just wanted point out that you didn't respond to them.
     
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    I don't believe in other people being responsible for me. The only one responsible for me in the end is me. Responsible is a social construct and not something you are just because I say so. As for suffering that is a local result of higher order cognition in a brain and thus I suffer, that is on me.
     
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    I feel like I might be responsible for a good deal of it, unless I use a kind of pre-suffering as insurance. By that I mean, that I do ruminate on how things could go dreadfully wrong for me. I contemplate the pitfalls and weaknesses in the reality about be. By doing this , I feel that I inoculate myself somewhat against the anxiety I have in facing the gauntlets of the future, present, and past. I try and grow a garden of mental honesty. I strive to become contented with the idea that nothing lasts. Not your life, your job, your pet, your family.
     
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    Some form of suffering is there for me yes, I am responsable for my own suffering.
    Why suffering? I have more to realize so I stop doing mistakes that lead to suffering.
     
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    My Institute Director.
    ;)
     
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    I have nerve endings, an amygdala and neurotransmitter regulation issues.

    No one is responsible for my suffering in all cases but only in some cases. There are those who have causes suffering.

    My suffering is eternal, for when I die I return to my beginning. On the other hand I also enter rest, so it is a sort of difficult thing to answer.
     
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    Are you the author of Mulamadhyamakakarika? o_O
     
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    On the one hand, "There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so."

    -Shakespeare, Hamlet

    But on the other hand, whatever you think of toothache, it still hurts.
     
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  18. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    Depends.
    Some events in life are not easy to forget.
    Watching a friend die of leukemia is no picnic
    A stomach op that went wrong left me in constant agony for several months, no let up from the pain is mental suffering in the extreme.

    Part me, part other people when talking of horrendous events.
    No one is responsible for leukemia
    The stomach, the surgeon without doubt

    Accepting the past.
    No one.
    A second op by another surgeon.
     
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    The Middle Way, by Nagarjuna? Carlo Rovelli led me to that text. Rovelli posits that "there is no fixed point, of departure or return, to which we may anchor the adventure of knowledge", and says that Nagarjuna's text was pivotal in helping him think about the inherent weirdness of Quantum Mechanics.

    I'm really struggling with Nagarjuna, but the commentary helps. And the verses on Time are familiar, from TS Elliot's Four Quartets.
     
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    No, I just have prior experience of playing the game of defining.
     
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