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Your Christian Identity

nPeace

Veteran Member
If you identify as Christian, what is your belief, or view on cussing - profanity - using abusive speech or words.
I'm referring to those words which most news media and TV channels censor.
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@Kenny @InChrist and others, I would really like to hear your side on this.
Could you also identify what faith you identify with (by faith, I mean "denomination").
 

Treks

Well-Known Member
Hello

I identify as Christian. I'm from the Uniting Church in Australia which is a blend of Presbyterian, Methodist and Congregationalist denominations. I lean Methodist but also learn from some Evangelical sources. I'm a fairly new Christian, so bear that in mind, please.

My opinion on cussing is that it should be minimised in most speech because it's not very polite. But to focus just on not cussing misses the greater point of scripture. It's like being married and sleeping with another person is adultery, sure, but it's also not great to sit there with a slack jaw ogling every pretty guy or gal who walks past. Likewise with our language, we should try and speak properly, not with hated, not with dirty jokes (a real challenge for me to avoid...) or gossiping, and not with cussing.

Our words reflect our thoughts and Christians should be turning towards God as much as they can. Does a face before God speak unwholesome words?

Personally, I don't see a problem with cussing in the appropriate context, like when you get a big fright or stub your toe. Although these days I'm more likely to blurt "sugar!" than "sh!#" haha. And sometimes we need to use strong language to make a particular point.
 

InChrist

Free4ever
If you identify as Christian, what is your belief, or view on cussing - profanity - using abusive speech or words.
I'm referring to those words which most news media and TV channels censor.
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@Kenny @InChrist and others, I would really like to hear your side on this.
Could you also identify what faith you identify with (by faith, I mean "denomination").
I am a born again believer saved by my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. I don’t belong to a particular denomination.
Hearing profanity always causes me to cringe, especially hearing the name of Jesus used in vain. Although, I cannot stop others from using profanity, I never do so myself. I believe there are a number of Bible scriptures which indicate one’s speech should be edifying, rather than corrupt, such as...

Let no corrupting talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for building up, as fits the occasion, that it may give grace to those who hear. Ephesians 4:28


From the same mouth come blessing and cursing. My brothers, these things ought not to be so.
James 3:10
 

Windwalker

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Swearing is a form of cursing. It feeds negative energies in our thoughts and bodies. Sort of chewing on thumb tacks mixed in with a handful of raisins. I've found there is wisdom in minimizing or completely not swearing at all. It's a form of violence, if you think about it. Sort of like punching things with your fists, except with words instead.
 

Eddi

Panentheist and Psychedelic Cat
Premium Member
I think there is a time and a place for foul language :D

I see nothing intrinsically wrong with using offensive words indeed I see nothing offensive about offensive words

I'd never use the Lord's name as a swear word though, so I'd never say "oh my God!" or "Jesus Christ!" as an exclamation
 

Treks

Well-Known Member
<snip> I'd never use the Lord's name as a swear word though, so I'd never say "oh my God!" or "Jesus Christ!" as an exclamation

Oh yeah, this 100%.

I'm also really hesitant to make any vows (which I suppose is another type of swearing, but clearly not the type the OP was referring to). (Edit: I made promises when I was baptised in 2021, and vows when I got married in 2022. I think these are OK.)
 

PureX

Veteran Member
It becomes ineffective when overly or foolishly used. Otherwise, it has little effect on one's spiritual condition unless it's being used to harm, or to try and harm ourselves or others.
 

pearl

Well-Known Member
While I find the language offensive, the same dehumanizing language can be expressed using 'polite' language.
 

101G

Well-Known Member
Addressing the OP, one, no two scriptures, Romans 14:22 "Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth." Romans 14:23 "And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin."

101G.
 

Treks

Well-Known Member
Addressing the OP, one, no two scriptures, Romans 14:22 "Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth." Romans 14:23 "And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin."

101G.

G'day

How do you reconcile those with scriptures (InChrist provides a couple of quotes) that specifically address bad language?

Thanks
 

101G

Well-Known Member
G'day

How do you reconcile those with scriptures (InChrist provides a couple of quotes) that specifically address bad language?

Thanks
Matthew 12:36 "But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment." Matthew 12:37 "For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned."

now, do you have FAITH for the Words that you Speak?

101G.
 

Windwalker

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Addressing the OP, one, no two scriptures, Romans 14:22 "Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth." Romans 14:23 "And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin."

101G.
I do not agree that you can use that verse to justifying doing something that is harmful to either yourself or others. For instance, if Jesus teaches do not judge another, and you say if I don't see it as a sin, therefore it's not to me when I do it, you're only lying to yourself. It's still harmful.

In other words, the above verse only applies to things that are not harmful to do. "I don't think it's a sin to violently beat someone who insults my honor", doesn't make that act magically good. You are violating a teaching designed to keep you from doing harm.

Eating pork or not, worshipping on Sunday instead of Saturday, are not in the same category as judging and cursing and kicking and striking others. It's really simple. "Love works no ill". If you judging and condemning others can be see as not working ill, then I'm at a totally loss as to see how.
 

Windwalker

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Matthew 12:36 "But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment." Matthew 12:37 "For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned."

now, do you have FAITH for the Words that you Speak?

101G.
So, if someone has faith that murdering unbelievers is God's will, are they justified before God and their own souls somehow?
 

nPeace

Veteran Member
Greetings.

I identify as Christian. I'm from the Uniting Church in Australia which is a blend of Presbyterian, Methodist and Congregationalist denominations. I lean Methodist but also learn from some Evangelical sources. I'm a fairly new Christian, so bear that in mind, please.
Thanks. I was raised Methodist, but left. I am one of Jehovah's Witnesses.

My opinion on cussing is that it should be minimised in most speech because it's not very polite. But to focus just on not cussing misses the greater point of scripture. It's like being married and sleeping with another person is adultery, sure, but it's also not great to sit there with a slack jaw ogling every pretty guy or gal who walks past. Likewise with our language, we should try and speak properly, not with hated, not with dirty jokes (a real challenge for me to avoid...) or gossiping, and not with cussing.
Yes. I agree, cursing is not the only vice Christians should avoid.

Our words reflect our thoughts and Christians should be turning towards God as much as they can. Does a face before God speak unwholesome words?
Good point.

Personally, I don't see a problem with cussing in the appropriate context, like when you get a big fright or stub your toe. Although these days I'm more likely to blurt "sugar!" than "sh!#" haha. And sometimes we need to use strong language to make a particular point.
Why do you view those as "appropriate" times?
I know there are some people that ask God for a few minutes to "tell off" someone... not in the nicest of words.
I don't think you agree with that, but swearing when one makes a mistake... Isn't that like saying, there are appropriate times to behave like a worldly person, similar to asking God for a second... but in your mind?

How would one be able to say they have a Christian identity, if they strip off their 'Christian garment' momentarily, so that they can have a moment with a worldly jacket?

Are we not required to strip off the old personality?
Romans 6:6
6 For we know that our old personality was nailed to the stake along with him in order for our sinful body to be made powerless, so that we should no longer go on being slaves to sin.​
(Ephesians 4:22-31)
22 You were taught to put away the old personality that conforms to your former course of conduct and that is being corrupted according to its deceptive desires. 23 And you should continue to be made new in your dominant mental attitude, 24 and should put on the new personality that was created according to God’s will in true righteousness and loyalty.
29 Let a rotten word not come out of your mouth, but only what is good for building up as the need may be, to impart what is beneficial to the hearers.
31 Put away from yourselves every kind of malicious bitterness, anger, wrath, screaming, and abusive speech, as well as everything injurious. 32 But become kind to one another, tenderly compassionate, freely forgiving one another just as God also by Christ freely forgave you.​
(Colossians 3:9-10)
9 Strip off the old personality with its practices, 10 and clothe yourselves with the new personality,. . .​

That seems to be saying make a transformation... Like from a caterpillar ro a butterfly. The butterfly does not revert to being a caterpillar at any time.
Understandably, change may take time, and during that change slipups can happen, but none of us are perfect, so mistakes are understood.
However, if we don't hate the bad, we won't make the effort to stop.

Many persons do not see the danger of giving into a treacherous heart, but I am sure you would agree with this scripture...
(Jeremiah 17:9-10) 9 The heart is more treacherous than anything else and is desperate. Who can know it? 10 I, Jehovah, am searching the heart, Examining the innermost thoughts, To give to each one according to his ways, According to the fruitage of his works.

Jesus himself said, ". . .out of the heart’s abundance his mouth speaks. . ." (Luke 6:45)
Thus, words coming out of our mouth is revealing what's in our heart.

In other words, it's a tell tale sign that our heart is treasuring up the desires of this world - holding on to the part of the world we inwardly do not want to let go of.

So what is the Uniting Church teaching on entertainment promoting profanity?
There are quite a lot of movies with cussing and swearing.

Gone are the days when children were not subjected to hearing profanity in "family" movies, but nowadays, I find they squeeze them in. almost as though deliberately.

I think it is deliberate.
It's similar to the porn that pops up on social media sites, where children frequent.
Satan's design is writen all over these things. 1 John 5:19

Just as an aside...
When I was searching for the gif in the OP, I came across gifs with children doing some really inappropriate things, in what is known as subliminal images.
Though not obscene in itself, I think these images may be too suggestive to share here.
 

nPeace

Veteran Member
I am a born again believer saved by my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. I don’t belong to a particular denomination.
I know this is off topic, but I am curious to know, so may I ask what you mean.
Do you mean you worship alone, or do you worship with a group, but not in any particular group?
Or do you mean you attend and worship where you find people gathered for worship, but you don't belong?

Hearing profanity always causes me to cringe,
Yeah. Me too.

especially hearing the name of Jesus used in vain. Although, I cannot stop others from using profanity, I never do so myself. I believe there are a number of Bible scriptures which indicate one’s speech should be edifying, rather than corrupt, such as...

Let no corrupting talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for building up, as fits the occasion, that it may give grace to those who hear. Ephesians 4:28

From the same mouth come blessing and cursing. My brothers, these things ought not to be so.
James 3:10
These are scripture I also had in mind.
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nPeace

Veteran Member
I think there is a time and a place for foul language :D

I see nothing intrinsically wrong with using offensive words indeed I see nothing offensive about offensive words

I'd never use the Lord's name as a swear word though, so I'd never say "oh my God!" or "Jesus Christ!" as an exclamation
Thanks for sharing your view.
Do you consider what the Bible has to say in your way of life, or do you think being a Christian is not particularly related to the Bible?
 

nPeace

Veteran Member
Oh yeah, this 100%.

I'm also really hesitant to make any vows (which I suppose is another type of swearing, but clearly not the type the OP was referring to). (Edit: I made promises when I was baptised in 2021, and vows when I got married in 2022. I think these are OK.)
Wow. You are younger (newer) than I thought. :)
 

3rdAngel

Well-Known Member
If you identify as Christian, what is your belief, or view on cussing - profanity - using abusive speech or words.
I'm referring to those words which most news media and TV channels censor.
@Kenny @InChrist and others, I would really like to hear your side on this.
Could you also identify what faith you identify with (by faith, I mean "denomination").

My faith is in the bible. I believe the bible says we should not use foul language, cussing or profanity..
  • Colossians 3:8, But now you must also rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips.
  • Ephesians 4:29 29 Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen.
  • Ephesians 5:4 4 Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving.
  • Matthew 12:37 37 For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned."
  • 2 Timothy 2:16 16 Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become more and more ungodly.
  • 1 Peter 3:10 10 For, "Whoever would love life and see good days must keep his tongue from evil and his lips from deceitful speech.
  • Matthew 15:11 11 What goes into a man's mouth does not make him 'unclean,' but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him 'unclean.'"
  • James 1:26 26 If anyone considers himself religious and yet does not keep a tight rein on his tongue, he deceives himself and his religion is worthless.
  • Luke 6:45 45 The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For out of the overflow of his heart his mouth speaks.
  • Matthew 12:36-37 36 But I tell you that men will have to give account on the day of judgment for every careless word they have spoken. 37 For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned."
God bless


 
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Eddi

Panentheist and Psychedelic Cat
Premium Member
Thanks for sharing your view.
Do you consider what the Bible has to say in your way of life, or do you think being a Christian is not particularly related to the Bible?
Any idiot can not swear, big deal

The medal's in the post

Being a Christian is way more challenging than just that

There is way more to being a Christian than getting dressed up in certain clothes and not saying certain words, and parading about in your church, or handing out your propaganda on the streets

Those things are only really about posturing, about putting on a show

Those parts are the easy parts

But if that's the bit you're most concerned about and interested in then fair enough......
 
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