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Featured Young Hillsong Church congregant who mocked vaccine dies of COVID

Discussion in 'COVID-19' started by AlexanderG, Jul 23, 2021.

  1. SomeRandom

    SomeRandom Still learning to be wise
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    Perhaps. But true nonetheless
     
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  2. Thirza Fallen

    Thirza Fallen Crazy Cat Lady

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    Don't they realize that Christians die all the time? They get sick, have accidents, etc, so I don't understand this attitude, except to say that maybe if they hold themselves up as the chosen ones and special, that people will want to convert.
     
  3. 9-10ths_Penguin

    9-10ths_Penguin 1/10 Subway Stalinist
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    Because nobody ever believes in just one bad idea.
     
  4. Wandering Monk

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    Kinda like snake handlers.
     
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  5. JustGeorge

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    I don't see why it never enters their minds that perhaps God has given us the means for a vaccine, why not take it?
     
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  6. ElishaElijah

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    This is true and on the other hand you could show the people that die from getting the vaccine or have had adverse effects. Give people all the accurate info and let them make their own decisions.
     
  7. Katzpur

    Katzpur Not your average Mormon

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    As far as I'm concerned, anybody who is eligible for the vaccine and refuses to get it deserves to get good and sick. And if they die, I don't give a damn. Even with the Delta variant, if everyone in the U.S. who could be vaccinated by now was, we would NOT be where we are today. I have ZERO patience with anti-vaxxers.
     
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  8. Katzpur

    Katzpur Not your average Mormon

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    Grandstand to your heart's content! You are 100% entitled to do so, and 100% correct in what you said in your OP.
     
  9. PruePhillip

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    It was Christians who gave the world modern medicine, so what you write can be strange.
    Part of the issue is that in the bible it speaks of those who go to a doctor instead of God. I
    am convinced that these stories are not what they seem - the spiritual message is that it's
    good to pursue natural outcomes (hard work, saving and investment for wealth, decent
    manners and consideration of other for happy living, good diet and doctors for your health
    etc.) but don't leave God out of your equation.
    Some just take such stories to mean you don't need to attend to worldly advice, just the God
    advice. So God can save you instead of doctors - it doesn't work that way as well meaning
    people find out.
     
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  10. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.

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    Here's to karma then!
     
  11. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.

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    It was early Arabs who gave us good medicine.

    Eveone else? Well...

     
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  12. Valjean

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    You could point out that you're more likely to be injured driving to the clinic, or to church next Sunday, than from the vaccine.
     
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  13. Unveiled Artist

    Unveiled Artist Shrugs. I tried.

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    After the unvaccinated have died off to COVID, then what?

    After they find the perfect vaccine we would be potentionally killing off each other while provaxxers laugh in our face.

    I'm actually serious, though with this comment. That, or set us in our own island.

    I read a lot against antivaxxers but the only thing you guys wish is that the unvaccinated get sick. Instead of wishing us sick, is there a much more humane way to handle us so we may not possibly affect others?

    What's provaxxers solution to this without pinning people down and holding a needle to their face?
     
  14. PruePhillip

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    I had a good laugh, but that's not what I meant. Middle Ages medicine wasn't that good.
    For good modern medicine you need to look at the late 1800's and 1900's. One of the
    major reason for the exploding populations of Arab countries today is Western medicine,
    particularly vaccines. Half a million Arabs attend Israeli hospitals each year - not the other
    way around.
     
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  15. PruePhillip

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    Yes, there's a solution for anti-vaxers. Isolation, travel restrictions and barring from social events.
    It was some antivexers who brought measles back to America from Europe. Start right there - no
    air travel without vaccines.
     
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  16. Kangaroo Feathers

    Kangaroo Feathers Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...

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    Personally, I believe this is largely due to the Hollywoodisation of American discourse. Everything is dichotomously "good" or "bad". And you pick your "side", and then that determines what you think is which. Since the tribal conservative "side" decided that that science based responses to the pandemic were "bad", this has dictated tribal conservative responses to medical treatment.

    So much of what appears to be happening America can be explained by this simple paradigm. First you decide what "side" you belong to, then unquestioningly hate whatever your "side" has declared "bad".

    There are tribal liberals, too, of course, whose beliefs are determined purely by what their "side" supports, but as the liberal "side" tends to support scientifically valid positions this ends up causing fewer problems, per se, but it's still a crummy way to decide what your personal position on any given issue is.
     
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  17. Kangaroo Feathers

    Kangaroo Feathers Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...

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    Cue conspiracy theories about vaccine requirements being anti-freedom.
     
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  18. Shakeel

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    The vaccine can have harmful side effects and it isn't suicidal to not have it. You're most likely to survive anyway.
     
  19. Shakeel

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    When it comes to opposing science, simply the decision of not taking a vaccine does not tell about opposition to science. I find it more relevant whether the person takes other precautions or not.

    I have not even considered taking the vaccine, but it isn't because I think it's useless, I just don't believe I need it and I take other precautions.
     
  20. Shakeel

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    Old people may be in more need for the vaccines as well as sick people. For others it is simply about preference (though it is to the old and the sick as well of course).

    I know some people who, when they talk, take the virus and the restrictions very seriously, but they don't walk the talk. They go wherever because at home it's boring and then are shocked to find they're sick or in a precautionary quarantine.

    Then a lot of people throw the precautions out of the window after they get the vaccine.
     
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