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Featured Young Hillsong Church congregant who mocked vaccine dies of COVID

Discussion in 'COVID-19' started by AlexanderG, Jul 23, 2021.

  1. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.

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  2. Unveiled Artist

    Unveiled Artist Shrugs. I tried.

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    Those that you've speak to, though. We don't know the world population of unvaccinated and why they choose not to vaccinate.

    My point is, your assertion is an opinion and not a fact, so it's really hard to take it as such especially if your point of reference is just the people you spoke with and what's online etc.

    I don't like the emotionalism involved.

    I can care less who takes the vaccine and who does not. I never said the facts where wrong and never encouraged people not to vaccinate.

    I just don't care for the politics involved, the media coercion, and things like that. I don't know much about antivaxxer side but when I try to learn anything about COVID and COVID vaccine I'm literally shifting through provaxxer opinions about antivaxxers and getting disappointed that after the media finish talking about the side affects they add "but this vaccine works..." to kind of say "we had to give you the other side but don't listen to it" type of nonesense.

    If people want to take it, fine. If people do not, fine. I understand both sides and just decide not too. Off RF it really makes me no nevermind cause it's not discussed and no one makes public political demonstrations on yearly basis.
     
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    Here is the disclaimer from VAERS. I bet you were totally unaware of this and/or not scrutinizing your sources (Tucker Carlson?) for the misinformation you shared:

    Guide to Interpreting VAERS Data
    Evaluating VAERS Data
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    When evaluating data from VAERS, it is important to note that for any reported event, no cause-and-effect relationship has been established. Reports of all possible associations between vaccines and adverse events (possible side effects) are filed in VAERS. Therefore, VAERS collects data on any adverse event following vaccination, be it coincidental or truly caused by a vaccine. The report of an adverse event to VAERS is not documentation that a vaccine caused the event.

    VAERS Data Limitations
    Millions of vaccines are given each year to children less than 1 year old in the United States, usually between 2 and 6 months of age. At this age, infants are at greatest risk for certain medical adverse events, including high fevers, seizures, and sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS). Some infants will experience these medical events shortly after a vaccination by coincidence.

    These coincidences make it difficult to know whether a particular adverse event resulted from a medical condition or from a vaccination. Therefore, vaccine providers are encouraged to report all adverse events following vaccination, whether or not they believe the vaccination was the cause.

    When reviewing data from VAERS, please keep in mind the following limitations:
    VAERS is a passive reporting system, meaning that reports about adverse events are not automatically collected, but require a report to be filed to VAERS. VAERS reports can be submitted voluntarily by anyone, including healthcare providers, patients, or family members. Reports vary in quality and completeness. They often lack details and sometimes can have information that contains errors.

    "Underreporting" is one of the main limitations of passive surveillance systems, including VAERS. The term, underreporting refers to the fact that VAERS receives reports for only a small fraction of actual adverse events. The degree of underreporting varies widely. As an example, a great many of the millions of vaccinations administered each year by injection cause soreness, but relatively few of these episodes lead to a VAERS report. Physicians and patients understand that minor side effects of vaccinations often include this kind of discomfort, as well as low fevers. On the other hand, more serious and unexpected medical events are probably more likely to be reported than minor ones, especially when they occur soon after vaccination, even if they may be coincidental and related to other causes.

    A report to VAERS generally does not prove that the identified vaccine(s) caused the adverse event described. It only confirms that the reported event occurred sometime after vaccine was given. No proof that the event was caused by the vaccine is required in order for VAERS to accept the report. VAERS accepts all reports without judging whether the event was caused by the vaccine.

    VAERS - Guide to Interpreting VAERS Data
     
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  5. Unveiled Artist

    Unveiled Artist Shrugs. I tried.

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    Goodness. They've been saying that for centuries now.

    I guess I'm in my own little world here, really.

    Nope. I would have eventually, of course, since there's nothing else on the internet these days.

    They told me there was an earth quake on our school campus and we never have earthquakes here in virginia. I was on the bottom floor basement and felt nothing. I was actually so upset because when I finally got outside people were holding hands praying and I was like "this is weird...." kind of like a sci-fi movie or something where the apocalypse is coming.

    The difference is, majority of people are vaccinating because they don't want to be a living target to the virus and accidently spread it. The focus is "just in case" I get COVID. That's fine but then if someone doesn't get the vaccine because the just in case factor isn't as big of a concern for a myriad of logical reasons compared to their peer, they are told they have the potential of killing everyone.

    Shrugs. It's late and I hope I don't dream about this conversation... somehow it makes it into one of my flying dreams or something.
     
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    I scrutinize all the information, that’s why I’m waiting because I don’t really trust any one side these days. I really don’t believe we are getting the truth especially when I here for a year how everyone’s gonna die and the constant world is gonna end if we don’t do this or that scare tactics. It’s never ending
     
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  7. Wandering Monk

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    Not all 'information' is equal.
     
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  8. Clara Tea

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    My neighbor, PhD Molecular Biology, said that vaccines clog T receptors which could be useful for handling future diseases.

    My friend, getting a PhD Astro-Physics, said that likely enough people will catch (and be naturally cured) of COVID, resulting in herd immunity.

    Fauci said that COVID might be with us forever.

    Rumors say that even if you have double vaccines, you could still catch COVID with mild symptoms, and that would mean that the virus (which isn't killed by the virus) could reside buried inside cells (where anti-viral meds can't touch it), and it might be a retro-virus like chicken pox which manifests itself decades later as a rash (shingles), so itchy that some almost feel like killing themselves.

    Currently, the double vaccinated are the fastest growing segment of COVID patients....perhaps because they feel protected and are on the front lines of the disease....perhaps surrounded by the unmasked public.

    COVID illness and the vaccine provide immunity, temporarily as the virus mutates (in a few months) to a different strain, at which, the immunity is over or severely limited. Likely, another vaccine will then be developed to deal with the new strain (just as a new flu vaccine is developed every year). It has been proven, by research, that the immunity doesn't fail, but the strain mutates to cause vaccine (and immunity) failure.

    By the way, mutation of COVID and flu pretty much proves evolution (or at least adaptation, which is a precursor to evolution).

    Some claimed that Gulf War Syndrome was caused by a virus (others claim that it was caused by radiation poisoning from depleted Uranium bullet fragments, still others (Garth Nicholson) claim that it was caused by mycoplasma). I believe that the delicate mycoplasma (missing outer protective case that protects normal bacteria) survives due to a compromised immune system, but this acts as an indicator of a compromised immune system and an indicator that something (perhaps a virus) compromised it. Nicholson demanded that the military administer anti-viral meds, which cured the symptoms nearly immediately (wheelchair bound vets walked).

    Notice that new strains seem to develop on the margins of continents (example: England). I think that this is because the English haven't mixed well with surrounding populations (surrounded by water). Also, the English suffered from a series of plagues (including the infamous Black Plague) which killed off the vulnerable, leaving mutants who were partially or completely immune to the plague. That mutation has served the English to have more resistance to AIDS and a variety of other illnesses. But, it also means that the current pandemic has to adapt to the mutated English DNA, which means a new strain develops. Not only DNA isolates exist on the fringes of Europe and isolated by mountains, but language isolates (such as Basque) exist, as well.

    There is no question that the FDA did not approve the current COVID vaccine regimen. It was conditionally approved with Emergency Use Authorization (EUA). To rigorously test a new vaccine, takes perhaps 20 years, but we were in a hurry because it was a global pandemic emergency, and it was tested enough to be confident that it was working.

    Double blind statistics were used (that is, the med and a placebo (fake med)). The fake med meant that some folks who thought that they had a chance to get a cure had no chance at all, and many died as a result. The use of a double blind study does, indeed, improve statistical accuracy, but all it really shows is that people without treatment die (at some statistically calculated ratio). But, we already knew that because many people were dying around the world. So, the luxury of fine tuning our statistics by using a double blind study essentially murdered many people.

    It is difficult to trust new technology. Certainly, using messenger RNA encased in lipid nanoparticles (to prevent the immune system from making the medicine inert) is a new technique to implant RNA into the mitochondria (energy boosters of cells). Furthermore, this messenger RNA can be triggered by near infrared radiation. There have been reports of people exposed to radiation who have died of the vaccine (coincidence?) I assume that "near infrared" means microwave. It is possible that an X-ray machine (or CAT scan that uses X-rays) could combine two frequencies of X-rays to superheterodyne the energy to microwave frequencies. Thus, the microwaves could release all of the nanoparticles at once....too much for the body to handle.

    Of course, the messenger RNA does not effect nucleic DNA, and it is rapidly destroyed in the body. It is theorized that there will be no lasting effects of messenger RNA (cross your fingers that this new theory is correct).
     
  9. Clara Tea

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    The world really is scary now....we should be scared.
     
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    In the argument that the world will end in two weeks vs. three weeks, I suppose the three week guy will never collect the bet (Pyrrhic victory). It's a question of being dead wrong vs. dead right (like insisting on taking the right of way at an intersection).
     
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    The value of a bottle is the empty space within. Be an empty vessel for wisdom. Yet, remember that a pouring bottle cannot be filled. Perhaps the empty, with their greater capacity for wisdom, have the advantage?
     
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    You have to weigh the risks of the vaccine against the risks of covid.

    There's also a growing number of people infected with the Delta variant, which infects with a much higher viral load, so victims shed a lot of virus, making it a lot more infectious. A non-symptomatic carrier can spread a lot of virus around just walking down the isle at Walmart -- where nobody seems to be wearing masks any more.
     
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    I’m not, but the US would be better off if we stopped listening to the divisive people in our government and media.
     
  14. Katzpur

    Katzpur Not your average Mormon

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    For me, it's not that I actually want unvaccinated people to get sick and possibly die from COVID. I just don't care if they do. It just seems so irresponsible to me, particularly when the vaccine has been given to millions and millions of people, and all but a very tiny percentage of them have not contracted COVID. I just don't get why someone would choose to put themselves at risk. It's for that reason that I say I don't really care what happens to them. I want this horrible pandemic to end, and while herd immunity will eventually be attained one way or another, it just seems like it could so much more easily be attained by getting vaccinated than by getting sick.
     
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  15. Terrywoodenpic

    Terrywoodenpic Oldest Heretic

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    I did not wait, I had the vaccine as soon as it was available to me.

    Testing is never complete for any medication they are always kept under review. That does not make us Guinea pigs.

    There are risks with anything and small numbers of people have died following the Astrazeneca vaccine. How ever very many thousands more have died because they were not vaccinated. The number who have died following vaccination is much the same as people who die unexpectedly all the time for no apparent reason, unconnected with anything. People subject to blood clots should perhaps have the Phizer jab.
     
  16. SomeRandom

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    Lol too true.
    Also sorry to say, very likely when other pandemics killed a lot of us. The Black Plague. Which was rectified by science if I recall history class correctly. Hygiene proven to reduce the spread, right?
    The Spanish flu, rectified by vaccines iirc. Yeah such an awful train record, science amirite? Meanwhile people who advocate against it or even allow positions against it constantly undermine public health, demonstrably.
    How responsible. /s

    Lol I’m the same. Screw everyone else I just want a good books and a bit of brandy. I’m reading the Iliad right now. It’s awesome!
    Bro. Nothing but COVID news on my phone. It’s so annoying lol


    Understandably traumatising. I’m truly sorry
    They told me that if I don’t use condoms or if I ever shared needles I’d end up with AIDS. That I didn’t doesn’t mean the advice wasn’t right. Just meant that I should buy a lotto ticket should I survive such encounters lol
    I can survive a car crash with a drunk driver. And indeed I have on one occasion. Does that mean that drunk driving should be legal?
    That people shouldn’t be sober when they get behind the wheel? Survivability is not always contingent of people being perfect cherubs. Does that reality undermine proven safety measures, I ask you?

    But they can kill anyone regardless of motives. You really think a virus gives a damn about such worries? Really?
    You’re far too smart to think that, I would assume.

    Fair enough. I’m drinking now so I shouldn’t be posting lol
     
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    I'm confident the majority simply do not care to get the vaccine.
     
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    Where I am, we have some worrisome highs and lows in the temperature every year. It is nowhere near the same it was 20 years ago.
     
  19. SomeRandom

    SomeRandom Still learning to be wise
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    And my peer currently studying a masters in engineering still needs idiot me to assist her with her entry level job. Appeal to authority does not impress me. Alas I’m too dumb to properly counter such rhetoric, so I leave it to other more educated members
     
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    Phizer is another company with a history of dishonesty. I’m glad for you to be healthy and fearless now that you’re vaccinated. I’m confident in my decisions, the thing is you and I both get to live with the consequences of our decisions. I’m not one to rush into the latest fads and media blitz’s. The gov’t and media has lied and manipulated the public for too long now.
     
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