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Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Harrison, Dec 17, 2017.

  1. Faithofchristian

    Faithofchristian Well-Known Member

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    So what your saying is that God is lieing. Are you freaking kidding me.

    I gave you Genesis 14:13, and if you can't believe what God has said in his own words, Go Figure.
     
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    Oh by the way I just found out myself recently that Abraham was not Jewish in bible study Ty Jesus for your blood
     
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    I wouldn't even dare to step into a church that goes by man's teachings and doctrines which is deceving people.
    But then you have no clue that your even being deceived yourself.

    You go to church, and condemns God's word, which is right there in Genesis 14:13,That very plainly says that Abraham is a Hebrew, which is Jewish, which is Israel.

    Unto which Isaac being the son of Abraham and Isaac had Jacob which is the grand son of Abraham, which Jacob's name was changed to Israel by God.
    That thereby came the nation of Jews Israel from Abraham to Isaac to Jacob.and Abraham being Hebrew himself.

    And you call yourself a Christian. Which you condemn God's word.
    Even in the book of Exodus 1:19--"And the midwives said unto Pharaoh, Because the Hebrew women are not as the Egyptian women"
    You do know the women were Jewish of Israel and being Hebrew. As you can see above.
    So Hebrews came by Abraham in
    Genesis 14:13. Which are Israel and Israel being Jewish. Which are Hebrews. By the seed of Abraham to Isaac to Jacob to Israel.

    You do know that Christ Jesus said in the book of Matthew 24:5--"For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ, and shall deceive many"

    Who else besides Christians comes in the name of Christ.

    Christ is abbreviated for Christian.
    Christ = Christian.

    Therefore Christ Jesus fore warned how people would come in his name that shall deceive many.

    You do know also Christ Jesus condemn the teachings of man's in
    Matthew 15:7-9 --"You hypocrites, well did Esaias, prophesy of you, saying, This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth Me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
    But in vain they do worship me, teachings for Doctrines the commandments of men"

    Christ Jesus does not want your lip service, Either.

    Therefore, when you go to church and you set there listening to man's teachings and doctrines, which Christ Jesus just condemns.


    Maybe if you listen more to what Christ Jesus will say in his word, than you listen to man's teachings and doctrines, you just might come to truth more. You think.
     
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    Well there you go, you just stated it yourself by saying in your bible study in church, That Christ Jesus was Right, in
    Matthew 15:7-9, Christ Jesus condemned the teachings and doctrines of man's.

    Now why would i want to go and listen to man's teachings, the very thing that Christ Jesus condemned, That your advising me to go to.
    Is it any wonder why Jesus said that many shall come in his name and deceive many?
    Matthew 24:5.
    Are you freaking kidding me.
     
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    Circumcision of the heart?

    Deuteronomy 30:6
    6 The Lord your God will circumcise your hearts and the hearts of your descendants, so that you may love him with all your heart and with all your soul, and live.


    Revelation 2:17
    Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who is victorious, I will give some of the hidden manna. I will also give that person a white stone with a new name written on it, known only to the one who receives it.


    Ezekiel 36:26
    I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh.
     
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    None of that, which you have given, doesn't change a thing, only enforces that of
    Galatians Chapters 2 & 3.
    Which is the law of Circumcision.which is the law of works.
    Which has nothing at all to with the
    10 commandment law.

    Notice also Paul Written in Romans 6:14--"For sin shall not have Dominion over you: for you are not under the law, but under grace"

    So what law is that ?
     
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    there is the exoteric and the mystical/esoteric

    there is only the ONE LAW, to Love. all works flow from the source


    Proverbs 4:23
    Above all else, guard your heart, for everything you do flows from it.


    Luke 6:45
    A good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and an evil man brings evil things outof the evil stored up in his heart. For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of.


    8 But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison. 9 Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the image/similitude of God. 10 Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be. 11 Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter? 12 Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh. 13 Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. 14 But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth.
     
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    Since you said, nothing about what law that is.
    The law of Love, Is the law of the Spirit.
    Galatians 5:22-26.

    Notice in 1st Timothy 1:7--"Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor where of they affirm"

    Do you understand, that if your going to teach about the law, at lease understand what each law will say. And what they affirm.
     
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    its the law that covers all wrong, all sins. the Law is singular. there is no pluralism, no exceptions.

    one is within the law and can judge, or one is under the law and subject to it.


    no one is above the Law

    Matthew 22:40
    On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.


    12 For now we see in a reflection dimly, but then we see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I have been fully known. peniel 13 So now faith, hope, and love abide, these three; but the greatest of these is love.
     
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    As to why do you keep jumping from one law to another law.

    Can you at lease stay with the law, that you first was talking about.

    And stop going from one to another law.

    You went from the law of Circumcision, and then to the law of the Spirit and now to the 10 Commandment law.

    So what law do you want to talk about. Make up your mind.
    At lease get a basic understanding of each law, what they stand for and what each law affirms.
     
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    the word 'law' is being used in the context of singular. commandments are plural. there are no laws. there is just the LAW. it is is the same as the golden rule, not golden rules.

    law doesn't have an 's' or plural suffix.


    21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

    the will is not wills of my Father................it is one will to love for God so loved the world..........we are called to do likewise, to uplift humanity, the son of man, not one man of humanity.
     
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    You're conflating "love they neighbor" with the "golden rule". What, pray tell, makes this so obvious a connection?

    So, we can pretend to know what one another are feeling/wanting/responsible for, etc.? I know plenty of times that this has bitten people right where they sit down. Loaning someone money, for example. Besides... your first two ideas: "if i love my neighbor like myself" and "[if] i expect to be responsible for myself" are completely separated ideas. Just because they both contain the word "myself" does not make them applicable to one another at all. So what you expect to be responsible for yourself? That is a type of love YOU are showing YOURSELF. if you were to then love your neighbor as you love yourself, then YOU would show that type of love to YOUR NEIGHBOR. What you are saying is that that type of love you show yourself can simply be expected to also occur in your neighbor, and therefore there are all sorts of acts of "love" that are completely exempt from loving your neighbor as you love yourself. That's a bit of a slippery slope for the command, if you ask me. Where do we draw the line? At what one or the other deems "unnecessary?" Talk about subjective. I might claim this commandment inert just for the very fact that it is so confusing.

    What is this supposed to mean?


    Again... where does the golden rule fit in with "love thy neighbor?" how closely are they truly tied?

    Not buying this at all. Do you even realize how many actions and reactions are subjective? How much what one person would "have done unto them" can differ from the next person? "Self" is almost never "as other self" to any exacting degree.

    Is the command "love they neighbor" part of this reciprocity? Let's say everyone loved their neighbors as they love themselves... the whole world. How many neighbors do you think you could actually show the same love you show for yourself to? 1? 2? 3? 4? 5? Here's the real kicker - to love other as self, truly, would mean that as you spent "free time" doing what they desired to do, you would have to be as fulfilled by the expenditure of that time had you taken it to do what you, yourself wanted to do. Think about that. That will NEVER happen. For most people (myself definitely included) this is simply an impossibility given many types of "neighbors" i have or have had. That right there disqualifies the idea that you can love a "neighbor" truly as you love yourself.

    What wall might that be? Some universal "truth" of karmic punishment? Do we have any data to display that this ALWAYS is the case? if anything I would feel we have more data supporting random chance playing a bigger role. And people don't have to "run after their own way" to not be adherents to the "golden rule" or "love thy neighbor". What if someone is doing no more than providing for their self, treating anyone and everyone fairly/kindly, but not going out of their way to be magnanimous? With the sheer number of people in the world, and the unbelievable multitude of world views and life outlooks, you can bet that there are people doing exactly that. Stay responsible for yourself, treat others fairly, without letting too many of them get in the way. Is there some "wall" for these people also, in your estimation?

    Again, the "golden rule" is, exactly, "love they neighbor", is it?

    You're thinking of physics, where the rules have been proven to be hard and fast. In the realm of human interaction, to pretend there are "rules" of this caliber is absolute folly in my opinion.

    Haha... those very things happen ALL THE TIME. Something about choosing the basement under a rock for a house...
     
  13. Faithofchristian

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    Are you freaking kidding me,

    Did you read 1st Timothy 1:7--"Desiring to be teachers all the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm"

    Now notice ( what they say ) signifying more than one law. Being spoken of.
    Now Notice ( whereof they affirm) signifying more than one law. Being spoken of.
     
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    same idea other is neighbor or neighbor is other..
     
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    I see you ignored most of the rest of the message... however, I would very much enjoy to see your ideas on just this ONE point:

     
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    Your right, it seems ( Fool ) can't handle staying with one subject at a time, keeps jumping from one conversation to another.
     
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    no i'm not kidding you. no where in that chapter does he indicate anything but a singular principle

    jesus even told those who carefully observed the commandments, statutes, rules, that careful observation wasn't going to cut it. the pharisees and other religious adherents followed the laws and yet they lacked something, L-O-V-E or god.

    Love covers it all, this is why it constantly revisited in relationship to the churches. Love is not a respecter of persons..........love is the beginning of creativity


    14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;

    but loving someone doesn't absolve self of ignoring a wrong and being indifferent because you love two and one has erred.

    15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.

    16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
     
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    i'm not addressing a posters diatribe when they have obviously ignored the gist of the idea. there are no differences to be made between neighbor and other as self, or other as self and neighbor

    when we wish to be treated by someone in a way, then we expect to be treated by that someone in that way; whether giving, or receiving.

    the action doesn't flow in only one direction, nor would any rational person expect it to. that isn't logical.
     
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    Like I said, if your going to talk about a certain law, At lease stay with it and stop going from one law to another. I am not going to chase you around.
     
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    Here's a list of the laws.

    The law of Circumcision
    The law of Obedience
    The law of Faith
    The law of the Spirit
    The law of Christ
    The law of Righteousness
    The law of God
    The law 10 commandment law
    The law of Sin and Death
    The law of Sin
    The law of Grace
    The law of the Prophets
    The law of the kingdom of heaven

    So which law are wanting to talk about, So your jumping from one law to another.
     
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