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Featured You can not understand God with human common sense.

Discussion in 'Interfaith Discussion' started by Conscious thoughts, Jan 1, 2021.

  1. Conscious thoughts

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    My answer here is only how i understand it, others may see it differently.

    Cultivation of the teaching of the religious scripture the person believe in, to truly understand what the text is telling a believer to do and change, to become like God.

    Common sense here means thinking that the physical world is all there is, and nothing else exist.
    To understand God one must open up to the word within once own true being ( not the physical body)
    What a human being see as good, may not be the same as what God see as good , so the only way to understand what God ask of us, is to study the teaching.
     
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    I think "common sense" + "do (not) unto others what you (not) want them to do unto you" is a good and proven method

    I use something similar; the below 3 work for me:
    * Common Sense
    * Conscience
    * Discrimination

    The above purifies, and the more purified the more I understand
     
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    Cultivation of the teaching of the religious scripture the person believe in

    But how is anyone supposed to know which religious scriptural teachings to believe in without using human common sense? Especially if as you claim what human beings might see as good and moral might not be what god sees as good and moral?

    Personally I would never want to ignore what I feel in my heart is good and moral in favor of what some book tells me I should believe is good and moral. That's how people can justify doing wicked and immoral acts like killing people for being homosexual, all because they have a book that tells them that god thinks their actions are good and moral.
     
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    The book/scripture is the guideline, it is through practice one gain understanding of what teaching sound right for you.
    I follow sufism and its teaching now, but i would no longer tell others their religious belief is wrong,it does not get wrong just because i dont follow it or believe in it.
     
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    You have been fashioned and brainwashed to believe what you believe. Every day you're polluted with lies through the media, friends and family, culture and nationality which restricts you into thinking for yourself. Become independent and think for yourself without falling into the trap of nothingness, emptiness, drunkenness and emotionless.
     
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    And all this starts in heart. That's why Jesus said:

    "Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God."

    "First clean the inside of the cup..."

    "The eye is the lamp of the body. If your eyes are healthy, your whole body will be full of light."
     
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    I'm sorry, but your not answering my question. How am I supposed to determine which book/scripture's guidelines sound 'right' to me, when you've stated that what seems right and moral to me might not me what god considers to be right and moral? Didn't you say that I'm NOT supposed to follow what seems right to ME, but what GOD considers to be right?

    So how do I figure out which book/scripture is the guideline for what GOD thinks is right? Does the fact that in my heart I do not think it is morally right to kill someone just because they are attracted to members of the same sex mean that god DOES want me to kill homosexuals?

    And if you personally don't happen to believe that god wants you to kill homosexuals, can you honestly not think that it isn't wrong if someone else believes that god does want them to kill homosexuals?
     
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    Stuff like this:
    By that definition, according to the Bible no one can understand god. Amd are stating those without this understanding are "unwholesome." They may just be more wholesome than you with that judgemental attitude.
     
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    I say, you chose the path you want to follow,og you study enough, when you have msdecyour voice, god will help you understand what is right or wrong, so in the beginning it's you, then it is you and God together.

    God dont ask to kill the person who is homosexual, only the lust, the attachments to want to have sex.
    Killing is wrong, sp we should avoid it as muslims.

    I dont tell you what is right for you, i say what is right for me.
     
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    Sorry, i do not speak of what the bible says, i spoke from my understanding of the Quran.

    The OP was not pointed at anyone spesific, it only explain what is needed to be done to actually hear Gods message.

    Feel free to disagree about it.
     
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    Whatever the text, it makes a gnarly assumption about people.
     
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    That is your understanding of it.
     
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    You're the one saying it claims people who don't hear or know god are basically degenerates.
    My understanding of the Quran is Allah calls to those he wills when he wills.
     
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    I can not answers for what Allah do or dont. But as a follower islam it is up to my own effort to purify within enough to hear the voice og God. If my mind is only 8n the physical world, attached to Nice cars, money, high paid jobs, and not on what the teaching tells me, i would not hear God. I would not understand his message.

    The way i personally did it was to become more secluded in my life. Away from the physical world and its busy streets, not having to many people in my life on a daily basis. Focusing on the path within.

    Would that work for others? I do not know.
     
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    And you haven't....?
     
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    Man is made in God's image. Does that mean that God looks like a human with two eyes, one nose, two ears, etc? Or does that mean that imperfect humans are made like imperfect God?

    Is God imperfect? Most pastors would cringe at the notion, and vehemently deny it. But, how does one deny that God made mankind then tried to destroy most of them (kicked out of Eden, flooded Noah, destroyed Sodom). Was the creation of imperfect humans a mistake of God (an imperfect God that had to correct his mistakes by destroying his own creation)?

    If God is imperfect and vengeful, is it really a good idea to want to go to heaven and sit beside God for all eternity? Don't you get the feeling that he's about to flick his huge finger to shove you off of heaven and into the foul fiery pit of hell? Wheeeeee......there goes another imperfect human soul. Did God create us merely to destroy us? Did God create some souls, knowing what the future held for them, merely to have them burn in hell for all eternity?

    Perhaps instead of constantly asking for God's forgiveness, perhaps we should consider forgiving imperfect God for God's sins on us. Surely a being that could create the universe could also alleviate some suffering on earth.
     
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    It's like the story of two little boys, one is an optimist, and the other is a pessimist. The pessimist was put in an elaborate toy store and sulked in a corner because there was nothing to do. They walked in on the optimist and found him in a room filled nearly to the ceiling with manure, with his legs flailing in the air and his head down in the manure pile. They asked him what he was doing, so he said "with all this manure, I know that there is a pony in here somewhere, and I am going to find it."

    As we go through life, some millionaires commit suicide after years of moaning about their fate. While, another person, maybe of poor means, happily finds things to do for himself and for society. He doesn't focus on his needs and sadness. Rather, he focuses on the needs of others, and finds fulfillment by helping others. Often people write that they are sad and don't know what they can do. They focus on themselves, rather on those around them.

    Look at the huge homeless population in America. Surely the government should do something....maybe porto-potties to keep rodents from eating their feces and spreading germs (plague). Maybe fresh water could be available? Many tiny houses could be built for them with composting toilets? The few projects for the homeless spend a fortune and get very little. Skyscraper housing is sometimes destroyed by the homeless in merely a year.

    Our politicians are focused on cutting taxes for the rich and figuring out how to pay as little for wages as possible. When W. Bush did that, factories were outsourced to China, and Americans lost their jobs (some were forced to train their unqualified counterparts). Defective steel, defective manufacturing, and defective workmanship caused Chinese parts to be unreliable. Trump tried to move jobs and factories back to America (before COVID) hit.

    It isn't just about ignoring the beauty around us, it is also about ignoring the opportunities. Greed blinds some to the economic realities. Sometimes it is cheaper to pay for a person to get medical attention so they don't lose a leg, then lose their job for lack of a leg, then lose their wife for lack of a job, then lose their kids for lack of a wife.

    Politicians are short sighted, and often deregulate those things that keep us from losing money. Bank deregulation allowed banks to loan out more money than people could afford, when housing prices dropped, and this caused the huge recession in the final year of W. Bush's administration in 2008.

    As President Bill Clinton tried to balance trade around the world (and he created a surplus in the economy when he did so), he was chastised by the greedy of Congress who didn't want to pay for plane fares. They took away his fast-track trade powers, and had to argue among themselves about each trade pact. They back-bit Clinton, and ruined the US economy as a result.
     
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    Which divine common sense you used making this post ?

    Just a question ? :)
     
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    No divine sense was used creating this OP.
    As far as i checked last time, i am not divine ;)
     
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    So, why should I believe in your OP ? :)
     
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