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Yohanan vs the bible

Discussion in 'Scriptural Debates' started by Desert Snake, Aug 30, 2019.

  1. Desert Snake

    Desert Snake ️️️️️️️️️️

    Jun 19, 2011
    Yohanan, John, in
    John 1:1-10
    John is saying that Jehovah is God, and God manifested as Jesus.

    Elsewhere in Scripture, there is a Yeshua who says, 'my g-d', and 'my g-d and your g-d'.

    Now , at first read, this might seem like Jesus is just talking about the other aspect of God, the ABBA.

    However, there is a problem.

    Because of Johns usage of Hebrew description, in
    John 1:1-10, John is thusly using the word 'God', as we would presume, 'elohim', [since John is saying that Jesus is the manifestation of Jehovah, the 'Lord' aspect of God.

    Now, as 'Lord' aspect of God, Jesus would not be saying 'my g-d and your g-d', He would say, the ABBA, or such. Describing His position in the Divinity, if He is the Lord.

    We then have Jesus at John 17, affirming His position in the Deific configuration, making Him elohim, in other words.

    So, Jesus , calling Himself, Deific, John 17,
    And, Jesus saying 'my g-d and your g-d', doesn't make sense.

    Aside from belief, religious belief, John is using Hebrew wording when He calls Jesus the manifestation of God, and Yohanan is clearly calling 'Jehovah', his God.

    So why would John, write what is a confusing mix up of wording, ie the use of 'g-d', as separate from Jesus,
    When John literally calls Jesus, the manifestation of Jehovah,
    He was in the world, and the world knew Him not.

    There are thusly either two different yeshuas, and John writes about both, or, something else is entirely wrong, here.
    The theology is literally different, by the different usage of 'g-d'-, as a word.

    John wouldn't present both, because they don't have the same meaning.

    [Two yeshuas, [how did the other yeshua get quoted
    [John would not contradict his own Hebrew wording, thus creating a contradiction of meaning.

    So, there are variables. What we do know is that there can't be this contradiction, in order to read Scripture in a straightforward manner.

    #1 Desert Snake, Aug 30, 2019
    Last edited: Aug 30, 2019
  2. 74x12

    74x12 Well-Known Member

    Dec 2, 2017
    It's very easy to understand when you know that Jesus had two natures. The created and uncreated. (see Isaiah 9:6, Hebrews 10:5, Luke 1:35) The body of Jesus is created, the Spirit is not. When Jesus says "my God" He speaks for the flesh that is created. When He says He is God; He speaks as for the Spirit who is God. But the scriptures are mysterious on purpose. So that God can show people the truth. Because no one can understand the thoughts of God without the Spirit of God.

    See 1 Corinthians 2:9-12