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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by calm, Sep 25, 2019.

  1. 101G

    101G Active Member

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    Thanks for the reply, but I have a question, or a verse for you, if God raise up Jesus, then why would Jesus, who cannot lie say this, John 2:18 "Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?

    John 2:19 "Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

    John 2:20 "Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?

    John 2:21 "But he spake of the temple of his body.(so it was Jesus who raised up his own body)

    John 2:22 "When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

    OK, Jesus said that he would raise up his body, can Jesus lie? no, of course not, so what do this means then? Jesus is GOD in the flesh. (but to be clear about the matter, JESUS is the diversity of himself, GOD in flesh.)

    now if you have another explination by scriptures, to prove JESUS is not God who raise up his body from the dead, please post them.

    now, Colossians 2:9 "For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily". so who is in him? lets see, Revelation 22:2 "In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

    Revelation 22:3 "And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:

    Revelation 22:4 "And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads." why not say see their face? understand now. and it said, "his" NAME shall be in their foreheads. lets see who name this will be?

    Revelation 3:12 "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name". who name? JESUS. BINGO again. JESUS IS GOD.

    1213 I have asked many who believe in the 3 in 1 person of the Godhead, none except one told the truth. the person in John 1:3 who made all things is the same person in Isaiah 44:24 who made all things. what you say?


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  2. 1213

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    I think it is good to notice, that doesn’t say Jesus raised himself. But, it is not any problem to say Jesus raised himself, because Jesus says also:

    Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I tell you, I speak not from myself; but the Father who lives in me does his works. …
    John 14:10

    Jesus therefore answered them, "My teaching is not mine, but his who sent me. If anyone desires to do his will, he will know about the teaching, whether it is from God, or if I am speaking from myself.
    John 7:16-17

    For I spoke not from myself, but the Father who sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
    John 12:49

    Jesus therefore answered them, "Most assuredly, I tell you, the Son can do nothing of himself, but what he sees the Father doing. For whatever things he does, these the Son also does likewise
    John 5:19

    Jesus acted in the name of God, with God’s power. He could not have done the things without God. That is why, even if we would think Jesus raised himself, it was by God’s power and therefore ultimately it was God who did it.

    Yes, and Jesus has the name God has given to him.

    I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, keep them through your name which you have given me, that they may be one, even as we are.
    John 17:11

    I think it is important to notice, Bible tells things were created through Jesus. The word through is important to understand.

    in whom we have our redemption, the forgiveness of our sins; who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by him were all things created, in the heavens and on the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created through him, and for him.
    Colossians 1:14-16

    It is also interesting that Bible tells Jesus is the image of God.

    But anyway, I hope you believe what Jesus said. If you think I am in contradiction with Jesus, ignore me.
     
  3. sooda

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    Isaiah 44:24 is just saying Judah will be restored.
     
  4. 101G

    101G Active Member

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    nope, try again.

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    Isaiah is all about Israel, the suffering servant .. There is NO mention of Jesus..

    Isaiah 44:24 New King James Version (NKJV)
    Judah Will Be Restored
    24 Thus says the Lord,your Redeemer,
    And He who formed you from the womb:
    “I am the Lord, who makes all things,
    Who stretches out the heavens all alone,
    Who spreads abroad the earth by Myself;

    Also Jeremiah 33:7


    King James Bible
    And I will cause the captivity of Judah and the captivity of Israel to return, and will build them, as at the first.

    King James Bible
    And I will cause the captivity of Judah and the captivity of Israel to return, and will build them, as at the first.
     
  6. 101G

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    are you now seeing what I'm saying now?

    question, "is this the Lord Jesus yes or no?" ......... who made all things.

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  8. 101G

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    No.. Its Lord God.. There is NO mention of Jesus in Isaiah.. Its all about Israel.

    so we can take it that you have no answer as to who "MADE ALL THINGS"

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    where does it say Jesus can not lie ?
     
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    Hebrews 6:18
    and if you are wondering if Jesus is God, Matthew 1:23

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    and a dozen other strictures that say he's not
     
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    OK, POST THEM

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    Does one mean the Tetragrammaton (/ˌtɛtrəˈɡræmətɒn/ or Tetragram, its four letters are spelled "YHWH"?
    If yes then please quote from Jesus where he claimed to be Yahweh in a clear and unequivocal manner.
    Right, please?

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    oh I pick them all and BTW there is no such thing as "diversified state". the father and the son are two different beings . the one ,the father, is worshiped by the son and does what his God wants him to do . Jesus is subordinate to the his father and God. all ways has been all ways will be .
     
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    first thanks for your reply, second, just for picking sake, let's go with the very first one.

    Matthew 28:18 "And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

    Matthew 28:19 "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

    Matthew 28:20 "Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

    if they are separate person please post the "NAME" of the Father, and the name of the Son, and please post the "NAME" of the Holy Ghost.

    I say the Name of the Father is JESUS, and the name of the son is JESUS, and the Name of the Holy Ghost is JESUS.

    please post the Name of the Father.... and the Name of the Son.... and the Name of the Holy Ghost. provide scripture for each name "IF THEY ARE SEPARATE PERSONS.

    looking to hear your answer.

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    very well .the name of the father is Jehovah . the name can be found in many bibles at Psalms 83:18  That people may know that you, whose name is Jehovah,You alone are the Most High over all the earth.

    the first born of God is Jesus

    the holy spirit is not a person. there for does not have a name . perhaps.... all the angels as a group could encompass the term "holy spirit" .
     
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    first thank you for your answer, but it's in ERROR..
    #1. First of all that name Jehovah is a lie. for the name derived from tetragrammaton which is a VERB and not a noun,. mistake #1. now for Mistake #2, Listen, John 5:43 "I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive”.

    Now, if the Father’s name is Jehovah, (which it's not), and not Jesus, then one is saying that Jesus lied, when he said “I come in my Father’s Name”. either you’re saying Jesus lied, or the Father’s Name is not Jehovah. Which one you chose?

    Mistake #3. the Holy Spirit is a person, listen, Ephesians 4:30 "And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption".and this, Acts 5:3 "But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?"

    so please answer mistake #1, #2, and #3.

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    perhaps you can explain what "Stop in the name of the law" means
    or perhaps what in the "name of the king" means .
     
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