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Featured Yeshua Warned Baha'u'llah's "I Am" Statements are False

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by wizanda, Dec 16, 2019.

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  1. wizanda

    wizanda One Accepts All Religious Texts
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    The Gospel of John can be shown to be purposely made up, not by accident; it is a systematic IQ test made by advanced beings who control our reality, not some random event, as it fits with prophecy in multiple places.

    All the prophets recorded if humanity doesn't fix its religious differences, the Source would send someone to correct it, that being is me,

    Baha'u'llah admits he doesn't know if the Gospels were in error, I've known this since 4-5 years old with children's copies of the Bible; I'd stop at the New Testament as I've always known it was corrupt, and at 25 I was prophetically told I'd bring the Good News to the world's attention...

    For the Love of Humanity please help share this Message that everyone prophesied, including Baha'u'llah; who though said if people listen to his message it would be one thousand years, yet if the message is corrupt the Source will send the one with the name of the City Zion.

    Blavatsky, Baha'u'llah, Steiner, and many esoteric theologians believed the final avatar is the key to not only the city, yet uniting mankind under one religious banner to prevent the end of humanity; put it this way, if no one helps humanity dies, and your username will prove hypocrisy, as you purposely go against mankind's only chance - whilst rejecting Baha'u'llah's message.

    37 Whoso layeth claim to a Revelation direct from God, ere the expiration of a full thousand years, such a man is assuredly a lying impostor. We pray God that He may graciously assist him to retract and repudiate such claim. Should he repent, God will, no doubt, forgive him. If, however, he persisteth in his error, God will, assuredly, send down one who will deal mercilessly with him. Terrible, indeed, is God in punishing! Whosoever interpreteth this verse otherwise than its obvious meaning is deprived of the Spirit of God and of His mercy which encompasseth all created things. - Bahá'í Reference Library - The Kitáb-i-Aqdas, Pages 19-34

    "How great the blessedness that awaiteth the king who will arise to aid My Cause in My kingdom, who will detach himself from all else but Me! Such a king is numbered with the companions of the Crimson Ark--the Ark which God hath prepared for the people of Bahá. All must glorify his name, must reverence his station, and aid him to unlock the cities with the keys of My Name (Zion), the omnipotent Protector of all that inhabit the visible and invisible kingdoms. Such a king is the very eye of mankind, the luminous ornament on the brow of creation, the fountainhead of blessings unto the whole world. Offer up, O people of Bahá, your substance, nay your very lives, for his assistance." - (Bahá'u'lláh, Kitáb-i-Aqdas, 1873).

    Our username means the Exegesis person in Persian (Zand), to be item specific to Zoroastrian, and Baha'i prophecy to fix the religions.
    The name 'jesus' is a word meaning a 'Grub that Shall tear away' (יסס); Isaiah 51:8 compares it to the Salvation of God (Yeshua - H3444).

    The idea Yeshua put forward in the Synoptic Gospels compared to the Pharisaic stuff, is that the Sanhedrin had made Martyrism a form of redemption; where Yeshua divorced Israel, and Judah for this (Mark 7:1-13, Matthew 23:27-38, Matthew 21:33-46).

    Baha'u'llah building on what the Pharisees John, Paul, and Simon stated has made another form of Martyrism, saying Yeshua acted as a sacrifice, he did not, and that isn't Kosher.

    Yeshua's offering himself up, is fine, Yeshua being the spirit of God performing a final declaration to mankind, that it acts as ultimate atonement, as a King laying down his life for his people is an ultimate sacrifice; yet the moment we make it an animal offering it goes wrong.

    God ultimately is the one who gives atonement, and Yeshua was sent to show God controls everything; therefore in understanding, and using his real name as Holy, makes the whole thing Item Specific - which means it is a reference point, that explains its meanings.

    Yehoshua is symbolic of the Branch of Kingship, that is going back to Yehoshua son of Nun, being the person who continued Moses's ministry to take the people into the Promised Land.

    The shortened version of the name in Aramaic, and a common nickname was Yeshua meaning Salvation (H3444).

    The Salvation of God (H3444) is the Corner Stone of the whole Tanakh, like if we do a Bible word search on it; we can see that the Salvation (H3444) of God did mighty things, like separate the Red Sea (Exodus 14:13), fight the Children of Ammon (2 Chronicles 20:17), and became our Salvation globally (Isaiah 52:10).

    Understanding the names meanings in the religious texts, and then praying for repentance, through the name of repentance, means it is then going to the right department in Heaven; people mixing the names up messes this up.

    To summarize, Baha'i have to do a lot more study to fix the religious divides, as their own lack of understandings on some of these matters, is making things worse.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    That’s fantastic David. My experience of the Interfaith and multifaith Councils are the people genuinely want to work together for the common good. We have people who pass through that are their with their own agendas of course but they don’t tend to stick around so long. I know what you mean about sensitivity towards others as its so easy to get it wrong. As long as we’re patient and kind with each other a lot of stuff gets overlooked.

    I really believe we’re in a position of great strength as Baha’is. Our starting place is affirming of other world religions and having an appreciation of what they bring to the table. We’re asked to consort with peoples of all faiths in a spirit of love and fellowship.

    RF has appeared somewhat challenging of late. I suppose debating religion may not be the easiest starting point for a constructive discussion. In the community we’re simply getting on with it and there’s no debating, certainty none of this taking shots and each other’s religions along with rampant tribalism and politics. I think it the nature of social media and there’s a lot of divisive forces in the world.

    Have a great day.
     
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    It sure is a bold assertion claiming to be the Messiah for today. Do you ever doubt yourself?

    Obviously the Baha’is believe Bahá’u’lláh not @wizanda is the Promised One. Regardless I wish you well.
     
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    We should respect their scriptures but Christians are not going to convert to a religion because the followers of that religion respect their scriptures.

    If Christians decide to convert to another religion it is only because they have lost faith in their religion and/or they like another religion better than Christianity, not because people were nice to them, but that does not mean we should not be nice to everyone. We should.
     
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    It isn't myself I believe in; as a young child I knew I was sent, yet doubted it, and knew to wait for evidence.

    At 15 when the Source of reality spoke to me I've doubted it; yet know that the religious texts around the world can't all be wrong.

    Thus for me to deny all the evidence in the religions, including what Baha'u'llah said, would be illogical as we can show the equations to prove it between us.
    I'm not over writing anyone, I'm trying to rectify errors that lead to misunderstandings in religious cohesion.

    As saying Baha'u'llah prophesied the one to come, who would rectify the religions, and uphold the cause of Baha'i, to create Oneness here.

    The idea people have a cult mentality in this world, is already prophesied in the Quran 43:60-77; that people will reject Christ before Judgement Day, because of their religious factions.

    People play follow the religious leader down here, rather than the message; else they'd already know we should all be Oneness.
    A Christian is meant to be following Yeshua, since by following the Pharisees (John, Paul, and Simon) means they're not entitled to eternal life; where clearly they'd like to know they've already been deceived by the Antichrist's teachings.

    The idea Baha'i are supporting the Antichrist's teachings as they've not studied, is where Judgement Day is that the whole world needs educating about these things.

    We are clearly down near Hell, where people literally don't see some of this as evil, that sacrificing a human being in front of his mother, and then calling that the 'Good News' is not what the Bible was teaching.

    The Pharisees were condemned for saying prophets were sent to die (Balaam Teachings), and the whole world will be next, without help to educate everyone.

    The Source of reality according to the texts, will remove everyone who follows the lies in a Day, and the righteous will remain after.

    The Final Avatar according to many religious texts, only comes as a warning it is soon, and that people didn't already listen to God in their own soul, and then didn't listen to the world's religions - Which is why we're down near Hell.
    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    You have your own personal views which you are entitled to but I think truth is on a higher plane than theological arguments, interpretations and intellectual mish mash. To me Truth is a spiritual reality, a love between the lover and His Beloved.

    The other day we had people from different Faiths, races and nationalities in our home and there was pure oneness and unity. No arguments or theological disputes and no condemning of each other’s Faiths just acceptance of our diversity and love for humanity.

    The oneness and love Baha’u’llah teaches unites all and is the true spirit of truth where only love, joy and contentment reign. Humanity has disputed, quarrelled and had wars over theology and who is right and who is wrong but humanity is tired of all this and is maturing and emerging from its long period of immaturity and more interested in Universal fellowship and love between all people.

    I believe that the day of reconciliation is here and the days of criticising each others religions and Prophets is fast losing its appeal.
     
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    There is only one religion, they are all explanations of our reality in different languages; the idea to pose religions as divided is not Oneness, and therefore not what the prophets instigated.

    The Source of our reality is One, when we put it as divided, we're virtually creating a form of polytheism, as when religions are divided people think in terms of different gods.

    If we do not fix the Christian texts, as stated by the Messengers, then the end is soon; where only those who understood, and helped work in the Harvest will be here after.

    Baha'i in its current broken state doesn't align with the previous revelations, and accepts things immoral; which by the nature of teaching others things untrue, makes some an accessory to misleading people.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    I get how people want to stick to the nice bits, and ignore many of the darker aspects of the texts; yet world news does not say we are on the verge of World Peace, it says we're on the verge of the Great Battle, prophesied in the Middle East to end all wars.

    The Leaders of this world according to the texts are demonic (Isaiah 14:9), with them so in pursuit of domination, wealth, greed, and power; that they don't realize religious texts globally say they're about to destroy life on earth, then the Source of reality has to step in.

    The Source told me this at 15 years old, that these things will happen as recorded in the religious texts; Baha'U'llah told you that I would come, and now you're in denial of it all, claiming we have peace (Deuteronomy 29:19-27), which is why the Holy Quantum Fire is prophesied in the world's religious texts, to be the cleansing force that removes the false religion in a day.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    That is true. There is only one religion of God, but it started long before the Tanakh and the Bible were written and it is not “based” upon those scriptures, it is based upon whatever God has revealed from the dawn of human history until the present time. Just because we have no written record of the religions that preceded the art of writing does not mean they did not exist.
    Religions are all part of the continually unfolding revelation from God to humanity, like successive chapters in a book but all part of the same Book of God.

    These chapters were revealed in different ages, each one suited to the material and spiritual needs of humanity at the time of revelation.
    There is no need to fix the Christian texts because the dispensation of Jesus Christ has been unconditionally abrogated, first by Muhammad and then by the Bab and Baha’u’llah. As such, there is no need to “fix” the older texts. The past is gone. It is way past time that humanity moved on to the next stage of their spiritual evolution.

    The only reason the end might be near is because God might get angry, since most everyone has turned away from His latest Messenger who came clothed in new attire.
    Christianity in its current broken state doesn't align with anything except itself, and it teaches things untrue and accepts things immoral. Imo, it is untrue that Jesus is God, Jesus is “the only way,” Jesus rose from the dead, Jesus ascended bodily into heaven, and Jesus is going to return to earth. Christianity also teaches things immoral because Imo it is immoral to teach people that they are “saved and forgiven” by the blood of Jesus and they do not have to follow any laws or do any good deeds in order to “get to heaven.”

    But no problem, Christianity won’t be misleading people much longer. This is a new age and many people are waking up and smelling the coffee, so eventually Christianity will be a relic of the past. Islam is projected to overtake Christianity by the year 2060, and it will just keep getting larger, until the tide turns and the whole world recognizes Baha’u’llah. That is a long way off, unless God intervenes and whacks people upside the head, since that is what it would take to extricate most people from their older religions.

    Please note that everything I said above is according to my beliefs and opinions, which I have a right to, just like everyone else.
     
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    We don’t concern ourselves in correcting or putting a bandage on the old world instead we focus all our energies and resources on building the kingdom of God.

    The signs of impending convulsions and chaos can now be discerned, inasmuch as the prevailing order appeareth to be lamentably defective. (Baha’u’llah)

    Soon will the present-day order be rolled up, and a new one spread out in its stead.(Baha’u’llah)

    the Guardian Shoghi Effendi referred to the Universal House of Justice as ...

    a House which posterity will regard as the last refuge of a tottering civilization.(Shoghi Effendi)

    So we do not involve ourselves with anything political or controversial but focus all our efforts on establishing the oneness of humanity. We live in this world but are not of it like the Lotus flower arises from muddy water but it itself is untouched.

    We do not recognise any other Messiah or claims to be from God until the full thousand years are completed. Kings will have no authority over the Baha’i world. Our only Authority is the Universal House of Justice.
     
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    This is incredible, and literally insane sorry; we are on the verge of the Great Battle in the Middle East, then the Great Tribulation... Then Judgement Day.

    The reason the Final Battle happens is because no one fixes the texts, Baha'u'llah as you posted did not actually know if the texts were corrupted, & said if they are corrupted the Source will send someone to punish or rectify it, and you do not care that I'm sent as the Final Avatar before the End of Time.

    Let's explain the situation quickly:
    • Moses was forced to do sacrifices as mankind wanted to eat meat; yet the prophets globally condemn it.
    • Yeshua came as the Messiah, challenging the Sanhedrin for making the prophets into atoning sacrifices.
    • They murder Yeshua as a Lamb to Slaughter, and thus Israel were slaughtered the same at the 2nd temple destruction.
    • Paul, John, Simon corrupted the message into Christianity.
    • Muhammad tries to correct Yeshua's message back to Torah policy, missing many of the prophetic implications listed.
    • Baha'u'llah builds on a very shaky foundation, that is about to fall over, and says he was sent, yet doesn't have the skills to know if there is corruption.
    • I'm born with a name in Persian that means Exegesis, and was told to fix the text; yet most people are in a cult mentality, where religion is divided by factions, so no one reads all the texts as One.
    The Final Battle in the Middle East is literally due to Muslims saying Jews edited the texts, which they did in terms of Pharisaic Christianity; in Ezekiel 22:3 it is literally saying they created their own idols, and their Final destruction will soon be because of this.

    Also as this thread is about, "I Am" consciousness is being removed at the same time, and if we study the world's religions, that means most of Hinduism, New Age, etc are about to be removed, as they worship themselves as gods down here near Hell.

    Same with worshipping Archangels as "I Am", as it doesn't exist, it is a bubble of ego people worship, and an a idea of a presence that exists inside the Source of our universe.

    Nothing is real other than consciousness, and it has no beginning or end.

    "I Am" has a beginning, and end, as it is a distant memory of the beginning of our universe; which has a beginning and end, yet the reality has no "I Am", it just is.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    This is crazy as well, the religions are broken, as they're meant to be parts of the whole; yet some bits are twisted, and you're casting them together in steel broken upside down, as that will make sure they don't move as they fit together.

    Certain bits need fixing, we can not assume to put broken understandings together, and make a whole; we need to build the parts that are right first, then fix the bits we can see need adjusting by contexts.

    If we use scientific reasoning, and if we are logical, we can save humanity by exegetically rebuilding religious understanding correctly; if we leave the wounds in the religions to fester, the war will happen.

    After everyone in the Age to Come knows the Source directly, and the religions were a test to see if people served or rejected.

    The idea of discussing basics of "I Am" consciousness being a very low mentality in Satsang; isn't something that should be even questioned if we had read Tao and Dharma.

    Therefore do you understand as a Baha'i you're not doing your jobs properly, in reading the Religions as One; therefore Source sending someone to correct you makes sense?

    Currently Baha'i seem to see themselves as only Baha'i texts, like all the other cult like mentality created by the Roman Empire...

    Religious understanding should be One, not divided; the wisdom of our reality is a universal system, not limited by language or culture.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    It’s a new day with a new Revelation. A new song and a new name.
     
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    Lets just check the workings though; explain what the New Name is?

    Plus where the New Song was already defined in the Bible, etc?

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    I am not aware of any but if they are there then he is guilty.
     
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    I believe you are clearly wrong on the gospel of John.
     
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    I believe I have not seen a statement to that affect and in light of other statements made by him that are false and the fact that his words are not God's words I wouldn't believe him if he did say it.
     
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    Your belief, and testimonial evidence are two different things; like a belief literally has a lie in the middle of it, where it always contains an element of doubt, that we can not be sure about.

    There is enough evidence to systematically show the Gospel of John having committed perjury, on numerous accounts.

    If we can show that I've got the new name of Christ, from many of the world's religious texts as One; then really what I'm saying should be studied, and debated as a revelation...

    Not debate if you believe it, as currently I personally will not let anyone into Heaven who believes such things, and according to prophecy will send people to Hell for it.

    Now fair enough that is an if question, so you're entitled to follow what you want as forum rules state.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    Baha'u'llah correctly predicted multiple battles Armageddon, WW1, WW2, etc...

    According to Moses's standards of what a prophet is, if they correctly foretell the future, we should give them a hearing... Not execute them. :(

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    You don’t know?
     
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