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Featured Yadavas Hebrews farmers. How come Jews thought Hebrews were slaves?

Discussion in 'Interfaith Discussion' started by River Sea, Aug 2, 2022.

  1. Bharat Jhunjhunwala

    Bharat Jhunjhunwala TruthPrevails

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    Nazi experts were in agreement regarding exterminating the jews. Experts were in agreement that saddam had weapons of mass destruction. Papal experts were in agreement regarding inquisitions. A woman once went to, I think, Bertrand Russell to ask whether she should marry the man she loved. Russell told her that she came to him, not go to a pastor, because she knew what Russell would day. So go ahead chose your experts and live to see the third world war. Where is the unanimity when Aristotle said Jews came from india. Perhaps he was not an expert. There are many more quotes. Only experts don't want to look at them because their beliefs of 2000 years are shattered.
     
  2. Bharat Jhunjhunwala

    Bharat Jhunjhunwala TruthPrevails

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    Ok let us skip wellhausen for now. Please response to the 7 odd points i wrote how biblical geography matches with india valley.
     
  3. Bharat Jhunjhunwala

    Bharat Jhunjhunwala TruthPrevails

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    Pl give yr translation of 28.44. I relied on quran corpus. Happy to hear your version.
     
  4. Bharat Jhunjhunwala

    Bharat Jhunjhunwala TruthPrevails

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    Maybe they should give you padma for not applying your mind.
    As for arabia please read history at 1500 bce to 800 ce.
     
  5. Wildswanderer

    Wildswanderer Well-Known Member

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    You can't be a slave if you have wealth? Of course you can, if you are being ruled by some country other than your homeland.
     
  6. Bharat Jhunjhunwala

    Bharat Jhunjhunwala TruthPrevails

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    Reg abraham. Someone said, eat the apple. The reply was how do you know this is an apple. How do you know it has no poison. How do you know it is not authentic. No fire no. That is not how dialogue works. Please place your thesis alongside. Only then it is possible to discuss. Hope you understand my difficulty. Thx.
     
  7. Bharat Jhunjhunwala

    Bharat Jhunjhunwala TruthPrevails

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    But bible does not say slavery at all. The context is that the Pharaoh was afraid of the Hebrews. They had gold. The conflict was probably religious. Yes, the Hebrews were herdsmen. They may not have weapons. But neither were all of them enslaved. How would Moses travel to Midian and back, and consult with elders, if they were all slaves. Technically it is still possible but the context is not of slavery.
     
  8. Bharat Jhunjhunwala

    Bharat Jhunjhunwala TruthPrevails

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    Confucius said there are only 2 types. Those who know that they do not know. And those who do not know that they do not know. Which category do you belong, wise upmanyav?
     
  9. IndigoChild5559

    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    Nazi scientists were not the worldwide community of scientists. You cannot interview only part of the scholarly population.
     
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    Do you concede that Welhausen is irrelevant? I am the one who asked you to drop welhausen because its not going to help you or anyone for that matter. Now it's difficult for you to reconcile with your own name you brought in as a shock effect.
     
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    firedragon Veteran Member

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    Quran Corpus? Did you rely on the translation or what's inserted within brackets? Please check it up again and know what you were completely "against" the translation by making some weird statement saying It does not say "you were". You said someone called Saleem told you otherwise. You were not relying on Corpus Quran!
     
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    You have to understood other peoples difficulty. First you brought in the word LXX but you could not provide any authentication with documents, dating, dating methodology or anything. You skipped it later. Then you brought in Welhausen but it works against you so now you skipped that also because it does not help you. You quote the Bible as if you believe it's Gods word, but bring in a scholar who defies it. You bring in Akkadian documents that says Misraim which is not old enough to reach Abraham, but then there are no documents dated to that time speaking of Abraham whatsoever. You seem to believe in the 6000 year old earth but there is no answer for that. You bring in the Quran quoting it from the 7th century but is rejecting Akkadian documents two millenniums earlier.

    Begging the question. You see the difficulty?
     
  13. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    :) There are people who need some tightening of screws in the brain.
     
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    They were being forced to labor for another nation. Yes, they were slaves. Not in the same way that slavery worked in the US, but still slaves. And Moses ran away, remember? He was hiding in the desert to avoid being charged with murder.
     
  15. Bharat Jhunjhunwala

    Bharat Jhunjhunwala TruthPrevails

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    Moses was adopted by the royal family. There is no indication of slavery in his running away. By slavery I mean ownership of the slave. Moses was not owned by anyone. Nor is there any indication that Hebrew people were worked for another nation. The increase of burdens is not ownership of the worker. The only power the Pharaoh had was to deny them going to the desert. That is a religious matter. No slavery anywhere in Egypt.
     
  16. Bharat Jhunjhunwala

    Bharat Jhunjhunwala TruthPrevails

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    No my friend. I still hold that LXX used the name mitsrayim, not egypt., Not kmt by which it was known to Egyptians. LXX identified mitsrayim with egypt. Between Ezra and LXX I have not studied. I hold. Ptolemy was around 300 bce. If not, instead of asking me for dates, please provide yours.
     
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  17. Bharat Jhunjhunwala

    Bharat Jhunjhunwala TruthPrevails

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    I hold to wellhausen. You had difficulty with him being seen as challenging mosaic authorship. Not me.
     
  18. Bharat Jhunjhunwala

    Bharat Jhunjhunwala TruthPrevails

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    You brought in quran. You could not answer my question. Reg Akkadian, please provide your evidence for misr at time of abraham according to you. And I am waiting for your kind response to the 10 odd points about geographic problems getting resolved in Indus. Please state your take on those problems. Thx.
     
  19. Bharat Jhunjhunwala

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    Exactly. So why not Aristotle?
     
  20. Bharat Jhunjhunwala

    Bharat Jhunjhunwala TruthPrevails

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    I learnt the problems from this discussion. Thank you. But please answer to whom was that verse said?
     
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