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Featured Yadavas Hebrews farmers. How come Jews thought Hebrews were slaves?

Discussion in 'Interfaith Discussion' started by River Sea, Aug 2, 2022.

  1. Jayhawker Soule

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    See post #34. (This thread is fast becoming an embarrassing waste of time.)
     
  2. Jayhawker Soule

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    Do you know the difference between a priest and a sage?
    now look up "priest" in terms of Judaism and you will see why I said "no" to 70 (72) PRIESTS.
     
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  4. River Sea

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    Awe ok so you say its a legend: looking up the word legend; 'popularly regarded as historical although not verifiable'. I still hadn't yet looked into Greeks, it confuses me., I yet need to understand Greeks., Actually Greeks confuses me., example: when I think Greek I think of Greece., yet when ever I hear the word Greek, I learn Greeks in Northern Africa., and Rome which is Italy? Then Rome does what with Israel., anyways, I have a long ways to go yet., one of the reasons why I label my religion as Learning. However the book that I'll paste below., only speaks about Torah and the similarities of Prophets. I hope its ok to share in this forum this book, as you were asking me where I learn about Mitsrayim that Ptolemy was asking about

    Here's the book at Amazon:
    https://www.amazon.com/Common-Prophets-Christians-Muslims-Hindus-ebook/dp/B07TC4WBH2/ref=sr_1_1?crid=311AZ2QEES72V&keywords=Common+Prophets+Of+the+Jews,+Christians,+Muslims+and+Hindus+Bharat+Jhunjhunwala&qid=1659736711&sprefix=common+prophets+of+the+jews,+christians,+muslims+and+hindus+bharat+jhunjhunwala,aps,211&sr=8-1
     
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  5. Jayhawker Soule

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    Share whatever you wish, just don't expect us to take the source seriously.

    There is also a difference between sharing an unsubstantiated claim and asking a question that presumes that claim to be true. So, for example:
    1. I read that the Indus Valley was in Missouri.
    2. Why were the Lewis and Clark expedition meet in the Indus Valley and travel up the Missouri River?
    Sentence number one in simply wrong. Sentence number two is incoherent (because the Indus Valley is nowhere near Missouri).
     
  6. rosends

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    shorturl.at/apwX4

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  7. exchemist

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    I meant no corroboration of them being enslaved in Egypt.
     
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    The book seems to conflate the persons of the Torah with persons in Hinduism. This is just whack at face value. Abraham moved to Canaan, a territory in the Levant. That's nowhere even near the Indus Valley.
     
  9. River Sea

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    Indus Valley is in India not Missouri. I'm confused as you asked me to share what I was reading from that form my questions., so I shared what I was reading.
     
  10. River Sea

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    During Exodus era Hebrews did end up at Canaan Yisrael., They started at Indus valley India, I only shared the book due to been asked where I was reading this information from., I was thinking I was kind due to been asked. Instead of leaving the person not knowing where, as the person wanted reference. It was as if I'm writing away and the person is asking where are you getting this information, so I answered where. Because I read a book is it ok for me to still ask a question?

    When you read a book or Torah or learn something, you can ask a question too right?

    Actually my question was about farmers and not slaves. Then I was asked where are you getting this information., I was kind and shared. Then the person had a hard time finding the book so I reference where.

    Then the conversation led about Ptolemy weather or not did commission or not commission priests.,

    This is a discussion thread. To discuss thoughts., and your thoughts as you shared Abraham moved to Canaan, a territory in the Levant., can you share more about Levant., are Levant priests? Because it seems there were priests for what reasons? If I'm understanding correctly., so does one need to be born a priests or can anyone be a priests?
     
  11. River Sea

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    Mitsrayim is in Indus Valley India., during Exodus era Hebrews left Indus Valley India and travel to Canaan Yisrael. Before Exodus era Hebrews Yadavas lived in Indus Valley India. I hope this helps understand where I'm navigating from.
     
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    What historical evidence is there this hypothesis? Can you refer me to any reputable links where I can read about this?

    The conventional historical view, as I understand it, is that the Hebrews/Israelites lived in Canaan more or less throughout, apart from a period of captivity in Babylon. Some appear to have been slaves in Egypt, possibly giving rise to the Exodus myth.

    But I can see that there would have been trade between this Indus civilisation and Mesopotamia, and so no doubt cultural influences as well.
     
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  13. River Sea

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    I went on a rant or is it vent., not sure what words., just getting emotions out., oh please go to thead #44 to show where to click. Due to person earlier claim had a hard time finding.

    Book:
    Common Prophets
    Of the Jews, Christians, Muslims
    and Hindus
    Bharat Jhunjhunwala

    I read a book. But below this., is my emotions., as yeah I gotten emotional and you're the lucky one that I shown., my emotions., maybe there's a better way to show over/over information, even though that's fine many ask., I just wish the link wasn't so long., it kind of crowds the space., maybe its just me wanting to have pretty appearances of typing. I don't know?

    Due to been asked where did I get these ideas from archeologist findings of possibilities of similarities.. in this thread due I was asked before, I did share the book., can you scroll to find the book., or do you want me to share again?

    Yes you are correct about Jews now., and many converted too. However what about M-124 gene that has its origins in India. This gene may have entered the Jewish gene pool at their origins in the Indus Valley., have you ever heard of this M-124 gene?

    I do understand this discussion had led about Ptolemy commission or not commission priest where Mitsrayim is? Mitsrayim located in India
    Exodus Hebrews travel from India to Canaan.
    However question started about farmers not slaves.
    However now today many are Jews due to their mothers are., I feel for those kids who's dad are and their mother is not., do these kids get picked on? I heard of situation where they do, its very sad what these kids goes through as they're around Jews.

    By the way I don't see this as a waist of time. Example not a waist of time is there was this person in the new testament who spend time in prison, many churches forgotten about him, he felt cold and was hungry. He cried out to God and God was there with him.

    I have a relative who's voice is not heard in any books who was shot during Hitler era., this oral story was passed down and the mystery why picked up and shot. He was landowner and postal director. He was picked up and shot. Why? He's not Jewish, why was he picked up and shot? Where's his voice, where's the books to write about him?

    Should this oral story continue but so much is left out., or shall this oral story stop.

    All the verbal stories that were told., could be told in a thread, perhaps disagreed at, but can be discussed.

    So what are the findings from any archeologist, what happens when anyone finds., do they keep quiet, or do they share?

    Who's Moses? What all did Moses go through., was Moses scared when he killed and fled? God still chosen Moses yet Moses was afraid to talk, how come God chosen Moses for?

    What is the Torah, why was the Torah written from what oral stories? What were the books from others, such as the Greeks., why were the Greeks so interested in the Torah for?

    What are the other books beside the Torah, what causes many to study?

    What is family what is connection of families?

    Families are also from way back when in the Torah as the stories are told., who owns them? Or are they for all?

    If they're for all then is that why Greeks were interested? What about the books from Greeks what are they? Were Jews interested in the Greek books too, so to exchange books?

    Please scroll some where in this thread to find the book that I was asked to share. Yes I was deeply asked to share where I gotten this information from and I have been extremely kind.

    The bible new testament was that mocked too? How come?

    What happen to who was that that end up in prison in the new testament, what was his name., was he mocked too? Was that a waist of time?

    The person who asked deeply for the information now claims this is a waist., let that person think that way, but for the rest of us, lets share discuss are learning, explore., even if we disagree.

    Indus Valley is from India not Missouri. I have no understanding why suddenly Missouri is brought up with the word Indus Valley?

    If anyone here in this thread thinks Missouri for what ever reasons, then share., but to use Missouri as an example of where Indus Valley is., Indus Valley is in India and I did share in depth about that, the location of Indus Valley

    Actually I shared even more, Mitsrayim in India and Pakistan 'Mitsrayim, locate at Chanhu Daro in the Sindh Province of Pakistan
    I wrote an extreme long piece on that further up in this thread, showing where Mitsrayim is located., that archaeologist findings of possibilities from studying rivers and land

    Here's an example further up in the thread I written that was lost., as I did explain where Mitsrayim is located.

    "Here's what I understand: KMT no vowels., just like YHWH no vowels., Modern name Egypt., It's actually Indus Valley that Hebrews Yadavas left from., evidence in Indus Valley bake bricks using straw., at KMT build with stone so no need for straw.
    I do understand Indus Valley has vowels, so that's a name after vowels in language due to the pie situation., I can't recall if Indus Valley would be MSR without vowels then as that's Mitsrayim.
    Mitsrayim at Chanhu Daro in
    Sindh Province of Pakistan, however no Pakistan 'til the year 1947., artificial boundaries, cause how come not modern name India., while further southeast Mitsrayim continues in actual Modern name India, as Mitsrayim is in Indus Valley in India as well as Chanhu Daro in
    Sindh Province of Pakistan.
    What I'm saying is when the Torah was written it's just odd that one sees modern names
    I agree with you that there's no Egypt in the Torah., that we agree on.
    Another area I'll learn is Mitsrayim is in Indus Valley modern name India further away from Modern name after 1947 Pakistan, so it seems Mitsrayim is huge, covering parts of modern name India and modern name Pakistan.
    I need help in this area, as I'm still looking at all the areas of Mitsrayim on the map., still a project I'm involved in."

    I'll continue, but this was lost., and not saying one has to agree with the possibilities., I do wish I didn't write artificial boundaries., as I was thinking about that later, cause what are boundaries anyways from any countries.,

    I know I'm not listing the book again., but earlier in this thread I was kindly asked, as the person extremely wanted to know where I gotten these ideas., no there not my ideas., I read a book., I had questions, and its a discussion.

    its not a waist of time.

    I mean what is archeologist when learning in Egypt building with stone and no need for straw
    Yet in the Torah claiming making bricks with straw

    That in it self will lead archeologist to seek where needing to make bricks using straw

    So yes to your question Jewish Mothers who has babies those babies are Jewish.

    So what about the Hebrews Mothers who left Indus Valley from India travel to Yisrael are there babies Jewish?
     
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  14. Jayhawker Soule

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    You read a book written by a freelance author with zero credibility as an archaeologist or historian who presented a nonsense theory to which you are foolishly committed. Therefore you ask silly questions while giving no thought to the various responses you receive.

    Pursuing this conversation is worthless.
     
  15. River Sea

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    I'm glad to share: where I learn from:

    This book
    Common Prophets
    Of the Jews, Christians, Muslims
    and Hindus
    Bharat Jhunjhunwala

    First Jayhawker Soule asked, then others asked., however due to Jayhawker Soule had a hard time finding it., I shown a link to Amazon further above this thread.

    The area I don't like is the link looks so huge to click on.

    Also I'm repeating sending the link. If you have a hard time finding the link further up in this thread., let me know and I'll resend it. I only share this due to that's where I learn and many here has been asking. Oh wait go to thread #44 the link is there

    There's other refrenses too that I think @Bharat Jhunjhunwala
    will be better at telling where

    @Bharat Jhunjhunwala many here ask where I'm getting this information. Can you help me tell them where you get all your information?
     
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    What is your distinction between Jews and Hebrews?
     
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    Ptolemy added the word Egypt to the Torah? Did Ptolemy call it mtsrayim?

    From what historical sources are you making this assertion? Please advice.
     
  18. River Sea

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    Mitsrayim is located in Indus Valley India
    also go to #25 thread showing detail where.
    I think what happen and I can't remember who - copied first sentence and left out information where Mitsrayim is located. But its in #25 and it gets tuck away hidden further up. I did shown the book many times., as I was asked where did I learn. Oh go to #44 to click link.
    go to #34 to the actual book tittle

    @Bharat Jhunjhunwala can explain evidence

    I'm doing my best with corroborating. Now I'm overly sharing book I read. There has to be a better way of showing where so it shows. So it doesn't get lost tuck away in upper thread.

    My apologies if it appears lacking corroborating from me. I'm doing my best I can as I'm learning
     
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    I have a feeling the author himself is here. I am surprised really. @Jayhawker Soule This might be of surprise to you. He was a Phd in either economics or finance. I could be wrong on that, but definitely one of those two or related.

    I know for a fact that there were scholars and authors of published scholarly books in this forum. But they never ever promoted themselves or their own books. No good scholar will do that. Just like another person in this forum right now who is promoting his publications on so called "super mathematics" with a scam publisher, very well known to be a scammer who publishes anything given by any tom, dick or harry. I mean, he is doing it right now in this very forum.

    I apologise for thinking like this but for two people, possibly along with the author himself to promote his book here seems sinister. I don't wish to think like this, but sorry I cannot help it. That's why the links are to Amazon.

    Dr. @Bharat Jhunjhunwala. I am sorry to offend you but you should provide information of your research to enlighten people, and tell your friend here not to give Amazon links over and over again to promote it. It is not good for your respect. I can tell you that the Jews here are highly educated in their theology and history. So don't take them lightly. You could actually have good dialogue and have knowledge sharing.
     
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