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Featured Xmas celebration: There is no Christian command from Jesus nor God. Who, when, why?

Discussion in 'Scriptural Debates' started by Soapy, Nov 14, 2022.

  1. Muffled

    Muffled Jesus in me

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    Nicolas is a name of Greek origin which fits into a Byzantine era.
     
  2. Augustus

    Augustus the Unreasonable

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    Maybe Jesus is happy that more people get to hear his story this way.

    More people get to be saved, and people have fun too.
     
  3. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    Doubtful though. To many coincides, with other celebrations too.
     
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  4. IndigoChild5559

    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    I seriously don't understand the question. Why WOULDN"T Christian churches embrace the Feast of the Nativity? You seem to assume that Christian holy days should be limited to those that Jesus celebrated (Yom Kippur, Passover, Chanukah, etc.) or which he instituted (none). I don't know why you assume that. If the church wants to set aside one day a year to remember his birth, that seems perfectly sensible to me.

    It makes sense for Muslims to celebrate Christmas too. Why wouldn't they?
     
  5. Subduction Zone

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    No links? Are your sources even valid?
     
  6. Augustus

    Augustus the Unreasonable

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    You can read this old thread:

    Christmas 25 Dec: Scholarly views

    Any sources in support of the Saturnalia hypothesis? Why do you find it persuasive?
     
  7. Sand Dancer

    Sand Dancer Crazy Cat Lady

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    For quite a while Protestants would not celebrate that pagan holiday.
     
  8. Augustus

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    It was "pagan" for them because Catholics did it and it wasn't in the Bible. Once they "knew" it was pagan, like they "knew" all the rest of the 'Popery' they despised was pagan, they fabricated the rest.

    Ironically, the modern "Christmas is pagan" myths are basically the regurgitated sectarian polemics of Protestant fundamentalists from the early modern period.
     
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    Sand Dancer Crazy Cat Lady

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    I didn't know the specifics of it, so thanks.
     
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  10. Soapy

    Soapy Son of his Father: The Heir and Prince

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    Well, you can see what it has come to.

    If it really were an institution that God, via Jesus, sanctions, then it would not have fallen to selfish debauchery like it has now (or… at least more people would realise it’s current in-sanctity!)
     
  11. IndigoChild5559

    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    I may not personally celebrate Christmas, but I think it seems like a wonderful holiday. It focuses on family and the happiness of children. I think people tend to be kinder during that season. Despite the obvious commercialization, I would never say it has fallen into debauchery.
     
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  12. Soapy

    Soapy Son of his Father: The Heir and Prince

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    If you were a “true” Christian then you should.
     
  13. IndigoChild5559

    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    Are you unaware that I'm Jewish?
     
  14. Aštra’el

    Aštra’el Aštara, Blade of Aštoreth

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    You say… “Why?” I say… why not?
     
  15. Soapy

    Soapy Son of his Father: The Heir and Prince

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    I was unaware… but now am aware!!

    Still: IF you WERE a Christian (and a TRUE CHRISTIAN at that) then you would be concerned.
     
  16. IndigoChild5559

    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    I have a pretty good mind, and I see no reason for concern. That's probably why the overwhelming majority of Christians celebrate Christmas.
     
  17. Soapy

    Soapy Son of his Father: The Heir and Prince

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    And also why the overwhelming number of ‘Christians’ are Trinitarian, two.!!
     
  18. Muffled

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    I believe it is possible for God to use common knowledge to promote His own concepts.
     
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    I attended a Friends meeting for a while and we had a pagan attendee who celebrated the winter solstice but not Christmas. I never went to one of his solstice parties because the solstice is meaningless to me.
     
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    I believe you don't give the devil enough credit. The thing is that God isn't worried about a defeated foe.
     
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