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Would You Worship an Indifferent God?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Sunstone, Jan 29, 2014.

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  2. No

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  3. Maybe (please explain in thread).

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  1. Contemplative Cat

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    Genuine God would be alone sufficient. God doesn't need (or care) about worship God would just want general goodness and happiness. If you can even call such a grand thought a thought. More like instinct.
     
  2. Levite

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    OK, fair enough. In other words, I guess, you're attributing a general sense of optimism or groundedness merely from having faith that God exists and cares about you. Which I would certainly concur with.
     
  3. Penumbra

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    I'll go with "no" on this one.
     
  4. Bismillah

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    I suppose it would depend on the relation of the deity between him and us.

    If, for example, it was the Creator and we were the creation then yes, I would worship him. Simply being because we were created for that purpose.

    I think it really depends on how you try to reconcile this indifference with the one exception of wanting you to worship. Why to worship? Is it a transformative process by which you become closer to God, to achieve your purpose of creation? Is this process one sided or does the act of worship also include then the attention of God?

    Is God indifferent only to those who do not worship him and to worship him is to become closer to him?
     
  5. Sunstone

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    It's my observation that some people feel that way, yes.
     
  6. bobhikes

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    Did the Deity create anything I need to survive or have any say in creating me?

    If the Deity is responsible for my life either directly or indirectly then the deity deserves my respect and possibly some worship, especially if the deity can end my life.
     
  7. sandandfoam

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    I think this (by Rumi) is relevant
     
  8. Sunstone

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    Which would seem to raise the question, Stephen: Would it be plausible for a god to offer itself as an "object of worship" in order to provide humans with a means of overcoming the barriers they have erected to unconditional love? Wouldn't that be a way in which a perfectly indifferent deity (except for its desire to be worshiped) could be legitimately described as "loving", "compassionate", "merciful"?

    I suppose Rumi might say, "yes".
     
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    I suppose going off your definition of worship in the OP I do in fact worship various indifferent gods. Death and various associated deities can be pretty uncaring for example.
    The difference is that to my mind they don't care about worship either. The desire to be worshipped is a good indicator of a very small and petty god in my eyes.
     
  10. sandandfoam

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    Of course I don't have an answer fully worked out because my journey is ongoing and I am in the realm of feelings not knowledge.
    However: I've said before that when I speak of God it seems I am speaking of myself. I believe that there is something of the eternal in all of us. This mysterious depth I believe is an aspect of God. Thus it seems plausible to me that my mind would conceive of God in these terms in order that my mind would make itself transparent to myself. If I could know myself I believe that, in so far as a given perspective can, I would know God.
    My answer is yes.
     
  11. sandandfoam

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    Forgot to include in my last post. My contemplations, such as they are, are very much informed by this:
     
  12. Sunstone

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    So, if you were to worship a deity, you'd pretty much choose to approach that deity like a fundamentalist preacher approaches a prostitute? That is, more or less in shame and fear combined with an over-riding sense of need? :D
     
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  13. Sunstone

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    Suppose the deity's desire that you worship it was it's means of offering you a path to overcoming all the obstacles you have erected to unconditional love -- that is, to bliss. Would that not make the deity "merciful", "compassionate", and "loving"? And would that not be for you are reason to worship it?
     
  14. Quirkybird

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    I don't believe anyone or anything should be worshipped that includes a deity. People or entities who expect to be worshipped have something wrong with their psyche
     
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    I suppose that's a fair assessment from an external point of view, but I can't say I worship my gods because of the supposed psychological benefits I receive any more than I would send out thank you notes to stroke my own ego. :shrug:
     
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    I have heard that God is no respecter of persons.
    I suspect the servants are the same way.

    So...as we stand from the flesh, the angels come to see what came of the dust.

    I further suspect, they will be indifferent.

    One third of heaven fell for an argument over something that looks like us.
    They want us dead.

    Two thirds of heaven lost their brothers over an argument for something that looks like us.
    They would be tolerant that a talking monkey would stand where the brothers once stood?

    I won't assume approval.
    I anticipate apathy.

    Saving grace?........
     
  17. FunctionalAtheist

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    LOL if you wish to take it that way be my guest. The question is under what circumstances I would worship a deity that had absolutly nothing to offer except it's own desire for adoration.

    I can think of no reason to oblige such a worthless entity other than my own abandonment.
     
  18. Jainarayan

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    A perfectly indifferent deity denotes classical deism. No worship is required or desired by said deity.
     
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    I wouldn't worship a deity even if it wasn't indifferent.
     
  20. Parsimony

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    If the deity is willing to offer such things to me, then it doesn't sound like it's all that indifferent towards my existence in the first place.
     
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