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Featured Would you take Eucharist from a priest who had sinned?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Unveiled Artist, Sep 12, 2019.

  1. Unveiled Artist

    Unveiled Artist Veteran Member

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    I'm talking on this other forum-like website. It's not really for discussion. It's interesting people's views on confession, priests, sin, and the church.

    I was wondering.

    Would you as a catholic take communion from a priest who committed a mortal sin?

    The other site, catholics said they would need the priest to make a public confession after being convicted to pay his debts to society before they take communion.

    If the priest repeatedly sinned, I can see why one wouldn't take communion.

    If it were one grave sin, wouldn't confession and forgiveness from the Church be enough to take communion; or, does the catholic want him to be convicted and confess to society first?

    Is the forgiveness of a grave sin only forgiven (thus free to give communion) when the Church and other priest forgive the guilty or does the sacrament of giving communion also depend on the conviction and response of society and his sin?
     
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  2. Nakosis

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    According to the Catholic Church, no person can receive the Eucharist if it is in a state of mortal sin:

    1457 Anyone who is aware of having committed a mortal sin must not receive Holy Communion, even if he experiences deep contrition, without having first received sacramental absolution, unless he has a grave reason for receiving Communion and there is no possibility of going to confession.

    Mortal sin - Wikipedia

    You'd think this doubly true for a priest giving the Eucharist.
     
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  3. BSM1

    BSM1 Who's a good boy?

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    As long as he washed his hands afterwards...
     
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  4. Unveiled Artist

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    I mentioned that the priest would need to be forgiven by the church and another priest (confession). Does he need to be forgiven by society for it to be valid proof a catholic would take communion from him?

    Why isn't confession and forgiveness of the church enough?

    (Some say he has to pay his debts to society before they receive communion from him. Another said that even though he confessed to god, that doesn't mean he did to society)

    Priorities off?
     
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    Ha. For the public too?
     
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  6. Nakosis

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    The usual formula is confession, prayer of contrition and penance.

    Penance I'd think to be imposed by a higher order priest, not self determined. Whatever was decided as penance. Abstinence, additional duties, reciting the Bible. Whatever act of penance decided by the higher order priest/bishop. Done.
     
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  7. Unveiled Artist

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    Yes. But what about societal confession?

    Some catholics want priests to also confess his guilt to society as a proof that he mended his actions and debts to society.

    They won't take communion until he is convicted and confessed his guilt to society not just the church.

    I disagree with it, but other people don't. Why?
     
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    columbus Conservative Catholic from Hell

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    You don't get Communion from a priest. It comes from Jesus.
    Tom

    ETA ~the body and blood are The Body and Blood. It doesn't matter who hands it to you.~
     
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    All priests have sinned. I'm not sure what the degree of the sin would have to do with it. Or even if the priest had repented and confessed the sin or not. How would we even know?

    I am no longer a Catholic, but if I were, I don't see how the state of the priest's soul would effect my taking the communion from him. I don't see how I would even determine such a thing. I would be trusting in position he holds, not in the man wearing the outfit.
    These are all reason why I am not a Catholic, anymore. The bottom line is that no fellow human should be given the position or the authority of standing between myself and my God. Catholicism is based on this idea of the church as the "stand-in" between the people and God. I cannot abide this, as I believe it is both perverse, and dangerous.
     
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  10. Nakosis

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    Confessional secrecy has long been the norm.
    Perhaps the recent focus on priest pedophilia. Serious public criminal offenses. Maybe they want to know the priest paid their debt to society in these cases.
     
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    I'm not Christian, so take what I say from that perspective.

    This was an issue in the early Christian church. The Donatists insisted that communion from a priest who had sinned (in this case repudiated the church because of persecutions), was not valid. They were condemned as heretical.

    Donatism - Wikipedia
     
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  12. metis

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    Sin is not passed on through osmosis thus not through the host, so the question is really a non-sequitur. Priests sometimes sin, and no priest would deny that. If a priest commits a felony, and it is established as such, then he should be removed-- at least until he pays his debt back to society.

    BTW, why are you asking this in regards to being a Catholic whereas communion is offered in almost all Christian churches?
     
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  13. metis

    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    Correct, so thanks for posting the above.
     
  14. Landon Caeli

    Landon Caeli What's your stoyle?

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    These people who demand extra-canonical rules for priests are actually not being very good Catholics IMO, and are hurting the Church.

    Everyone sins.
     
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    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    That would be enough since communion is a church function, not a civil function. Prisoners can receive communion upon confession, for example.
     
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    Landon Caeli What's your stoyle?

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    It is heresy, because no such rule exists in the Canon.
     
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    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    This was a power that Jesus gave to the apostles, namely the "binding and loosening" of sins.

    BTW, pretty much all Christian churches have provisions for confession to a minister. When one sins, it all so often affects others, so the minister may be able to discuss these matters and offer some help.
     
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    First, how would you know if the priest sinned or not? Second, the Bible says everyone has sinned.
     
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    Are there any priests who have not sinned?
     
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    I would have no problem whatever.
     
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