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Featured Would religion matter if you're a slave?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Euronymous, Feb 10, 2018.

  1. Euronymous

    Euronymous SSilence

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    This question is for religious theists specifically. Would there be a point to having religious faith if you're a slave? I mean, what good would worshiping God or Yahweh do if you're bound by chains?

    Any answers?...
     
  2. Grandliseur

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    I'm sorry, but if you look around yourself, the word slave is much maligned, depending on where and when you speak of it. Many people in Asia live and work in sweatshops where they barely make enough for food.

    Please look at this fascinating train travel Nepal history. It describes a people today that can barely survive. We are all in chains, some are called slaves, others don't have the moniker attached but are worse off. Many in western countries work at minimum wages where if you are late for work you are fired, and while at work have to endure much indignity. Now, a new kind of self-employment has arisen so that companies can get around the minimum wage laws, where people are paid for per item work, yet, do not have enough work to pay for their living expenses.
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    You need to look beyond the word to see who is a slave, or worse, while the label is avoided. What is this thing going on, even in the US, with human trafficking?! Labels are words, conditions in reality are what counts.
     
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  3. shunyadragon

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    The Baha'i Faith prohibits all forms of slavery
     
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    Id say that religious faith would be at its highest during times of trouble. We're a "slave" to this life; and, therefore, many people depend on religion to make sense of everything.

    Religion/moral lifestyle/spirituality saves lives from slavery or let people live to adjust in it.
     
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  5. lewisnotmiller

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    Sorry, I'm not your target audience, but why would it make a difference?
     
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    even to god?
     
  7. Euronymous

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    Well, I mean, I see no point in worshiping a deity that's supposed to help you, yet let's you be enslaved.
     
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    According to Nietzsche, Christian values and morals are the values and morals of slaves. That is, Nietzsche argued that the reason Christianity was so popular with slaves in the ancient world was precisely because its values and morals were the sort of values and morals that slaves typically had or at least could relate to.
     
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    Slaves in islamic countries became free upon embracing Islam.

    The royal dynasty in Kuwait had actually descended from black slaves who embraced Islam.

    Balban was a slave who later became a Sultan solely on the basis of his merit and work skills.
     
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  10. The Ragin Pagan

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    Slavery doesn't necessitate chains. Sometimes it's simply the lowest class of a society. Your question also hinges on the assumption that it is the duty of the gods to provide us with the best lives possible at all times.
     
  11. lewisnotmiller

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    Pretty similar to praying from a foxhole, which is supposedly the point at which everyone finds God. Not that there is any credibility in that view, but still...why single out slavery?

    Just curious, really.
     
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    I'm not Christian, but they believe that the help that you need is spiritual not physical. Mortality is fleeting but the soul is eternal, deliverance happens after death, etc etc.
    See: the book of Job.
     
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    Apparently so. One of the best known and loved hymn, 'Amazing Grace.'
    John Newton
     
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    Does one volunteer to become a slave? Are the Baha'i somehow exempt from enslavement?
     
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    What is called voluntary slavery is a form of indentured servitude common in ancient cultures. Indentured servitude includes involuntary servitude, most often due to debt or destitute poverty. This form of slavery was common in ancient cultures like the Hebrews, where Hebrews were indentured to Hebrews. In the ancient Hebrew culture described in the Bible foreigners were slaves, bought and sold, and prisoners of wars.

    The Baha'i Faith forbids this kind of slavery.

    No human is exempt from involuntary enslavement when it exists and condoned in society and cultures that follow ancient scripture law.
     
  16. shunyadragon

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    Yes, because belief in God and following the spiritual teaching and principles of God is a voluntary act.
     
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  17. sandy whitelinger

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    My answer is that the benefits to me as a spiritual being are enhanced by my closeness to a spiritual source and are not dependent on my circumstances.
     
  18. sandy whitelinger

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    To many who first glimpse the type of pschological slavery you speak of as applying to themselves run back to the safety of the previous image of themselves. Freedom can be illusory.
     
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  19. sandy whitelinger

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    That settles it then. Let's go get some breakfast.
     
  20. sandy whitelinger

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    That's a world view that is incongruent with my spiritual adventure.
     
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