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Would it be considered a sin if science rebuilt the garden of eden?

amorphous_constellation

amorphous_constellation

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I ask because it seems like work seems fairly essential to biblical based religion. There are plenty things written against idleness and hedonism of course. Don't have time atm to write out a set of thoughts about this for an intro, but will discuss
 
epronovost

epronovost

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It's going to take hell of a lot of global warming for me to stroll around in Montreal in November completely butt naked. I'm a hairy guy, but that's still way over my limit. :p

But its true that most of the miracles of religious and mythological figures are looking more and more quaint. Curing a blind man, ressucitating a dead child, curing a leper, taiming wild animals, make a woman fertile again, etc. These are all comon miracles and we are basically capable of not only doing all those things, but we can do them repeatedly on thousands of people with ease. The deities of old are getting small.
 
Howard Is

Howard Is

Lucky Mud
Would it be considered a sin if science rebuilt the garden of eden?

It happened already. It was internationally outlawed in 1966.
 
danieldemol

danieldemol

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ideogenous_mover said:
I ask because it seems like work seems fairly essential to biblical based religion. There are plenty things written against idleness and hedonism of course. Don't have time atm to write out a set of thoughts about this for an intro, but will discuss
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I don’t think liberals would consider it a sin but Jehovahs Witnesses would spend an awful lot of time saying it can only be done by God after science already achieved it
 
exchemist

exchemist

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ideogenous_mover said:
I ask because it seems like work seems fairly essential to biblical based religion. There are plenty things written against idleness and hedonism of course. Don't have time atm to write out a set of thoughts about this for an intro, but will discuss
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It would not be a scientific endeavour, that's all.

Even Origen, one of the early church fathers, back in 200AD, realised the Garden of Eden is a myth.
 
Aupmanyav

Aupmanyav

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There is no dearth of 'wild' Edens on Earth, you have them everywhere. In India - in Himalayas, Goa, backwaters of Kerala, Sahayadri and Nilgiri mountains in South India, Kutch and Thar deserts in Western India, wild hills of Central India, the tiger-infested Mangrove forests of Sundarbans, and the evergreen forests in Eastern India. We have a total of 870 such areas covering 62,587 square miles. Lots of Edens. They were created by Geology and not God. ;)

"Nanda Devi Biosphere Reserve" - Google Search
An area of 864 square miles crested by 25,643 feet high peak of Nanda Devi enclosed within an area protected by 20,000 feet high mountains (Bethartoli 20,839 feet, Dunagiri 23,182 feet, Changabang 22,519 feet, Trishul 23359 feet and many more) with only two entry points, one over a dangerous steep gorge over Rishi Ganga (from Lata village) and the other a difficult to cross mountain pass (Longstaff Col 19,390 feet). Another Eden, Valley of Flowers, is close by.
Nanda Devi National Park Trek - A revolving door of imagery - Indiahikes

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I do not think you can find anything wilder than this.
 
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amorphous_constellation

amorphous_constellation

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sealchan said:
My generic prophecy has long been...science will eventually help to make real what religion can only talk about.
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epronovost said:
It's going to take hell of a lot of global warming for me to stroll around in Montreal in November completely butt naked. I'm a hairy guy, but that's still way over my limit. :p
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epronovost said:
It's going to take hell of a lot of global warming for me to stroll around in Montreal in November completely butt naked. I'm a hairy guy, but that's still way over my limit.
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Aupmanyav said:
There are thousands of wonderful parks around the world, natural protected areas and those created by humans, no less than God's Eden.
Top 5 of the World’s Most Beautiful Parks
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Howard Is said:
It happened already. It was internationally outlawed in 1966.
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danieldemol said:
I don’t think liberals would consider it a sin but Jehovahs Witnesses would spend an awful lot of time saying it can only be done by God after science already achieved it
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exchemist said:
It would not be a scientific endeavour, that's all.

Even Origen, one of the early church fathers, back in 200AD, realised the Garden of Eden is a myth.
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Guitar's Cry said:
I somehow see Eden as somewhat...wilder.
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Guys, I'm asking if it would be a sin to create paradise... that's what Eden represented. It's a pretty hardcore theological question. If science could give us paradise, and it may be able to come way closer in the coming centuries, (through anti-aging gene work, automating out all hard labor, having paradise-like areas people can just hang out in and have food delivered by automated drones like it were a bee hive) would it be a sin if this achievement became indiscernible from the eden paradise metaphor. I think as life gets easier and easier, biblical based religion well want more and more distance from it. You must toil in the mud like adam and not allow yourself idle hands for the devil's work, is what they might say. What could could possibly come of large groups of people idly associating together in areas created to replicate paradise, better they toil away then set their minds on relaxing
 
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exchemist

exchemist

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ideogenous_mover said:
Guys, I'm asking if it would be a sin to create paradise... that's what Eden represented. It's a pretty hardcore theological question. If science could give us paradise, and it may be able to come way closer in the coming centuries, (through anti-aging gene work, automating out all hard labor, having paradise-like areas people can just hang out in and have food delivered by automated drones like it were a bee hive) would it be a sin if this achievement became indiscernible from the eden paradise metaphor. I think as life gets easier and easier, biblical based religion well want more and more distance from it. You must toil in the mud like adam and not allow idle hands for the devil's work, is what they might say. What could could possibly come of large groups of people idly associating together in areas created to replicate paradise, better they toil away then set their minds on relaxing
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Ah OK. Thanks for clarifying. I can't see why it would be considered a sin, if it were possible, which it isn't.
 
Howard Is

Howard Is

Lucky Mud
ideogenous_mover said:
Sure, and those may fall under a paradise heading, why not?
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It’s basic ignorance. You think your God created this whole show, the sin, the suffering, the repentance and forgiveness, with an end game of being a happy schmuck ?

Sounds like a lot of BS for nothing doesn’t it ?
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
ideogenous_mover said:
I ask because it seems like work seems fairly essential to biblical based religion. There are plenty things written against idleness and hedonism of course. Don't have time atm to write out a set of thoughts about this for an intro, but will discuss
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directly to title......soon

cloning a human is at our fingertips

you want a mate?.....just like you?
but not quite like you

pending

we can already cut a rib from a man as he sleeps
and we can clone that item
and with a little tweaking the clone could turn up as female

then all we gotta do is make sure she keeps her fingers off the fruit tree
 
amorphous_constellation

amorphous_constellation

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Howard Is said:
It’s basic ignorance. You think your God created this whole show, the sin, the suffering, the repentance and forgiveness, with an end game of being a happy schmuck ?

Sounds like a lot of BS for nothing doesn’t it ?
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If adam was removed from eden, he must have yearned to get back in. As I say, ever century life gets easier and funner, eventually there may be a problem between that and our culture's religions
 
exchemist

exchemist

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ideogenous_mover said:
Ah but every century life gets easier and easier. Why should the trend discontinue itself. Where's your proof. My proof is in the trend
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It's not proof at all. We work longer hours today than we did in Mediaeval times, or so I have read.
The evidence that we work fewer hours is simply not there, so far as I can see. Can you cite any evidence that shows it?
 
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amorphous_constellation

amorphous_constellation

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exchemist said:
Can you cite any evidence that shows it?
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Sure, there is a series of videos on the worst dark ages jobs hosted by a british fellow. I think in one of them, they set children in piece work making little gears for clocks I think for many hours a day, that was a little later obviously. But watch a few of those, tell me what you think
 
sealchan

sealchan

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ideogenous_mover said:
Guys, I'm asking if it would be a sin to create paradise... that's what Eden represented. It's a pretty hardcore theological question. If science could give us paradise, and it may be able to come way closer in the coming centuries, (through anti-aging gene work, automating out all hard labor, having paradise-like areas people can just hang out in and have food delivered by automated drones like it were a bee hive) would it be a sin if this achievement became indiscernible from the eden paradise metaphor. I think as life gets easier and easier, biblical based religion well want more and more distance from it. You must toil in the mud like adam and not allow yourself idle hands for the devil's work, is what they might say. What could could possibly come of large groups of people idly associating together in areas created to replicate paradise, better they toil away then set their minds on relaxing
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Well this is the basic setup for the science fiction myths found in Terminator, Dune, the Matrix and Wall-E. Our automation making us lazy and careless until that automation takes total control.

In these myths the answer might be yes, it would be a sin.
 
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