I thought of going off-topic and then dismissed it as childish but then you.......So, here goes. Thinking; an excellent excuse to get away from sorting stuff for a time.
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Would a Real Deity Sit in Judgement?
- Thread starter Sunstone
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Depends what you mean.
I think the idea of "God's judgment" was invented to address logical problems that happen without it. It does create logical problems of its own, but I think the assumption solved more problems than it created.
Looking at it a different way: the more specificity we add to a claim, the less likely it is to be true: the claim "Bill owns a car" will be true every time that the claim "Bill owns a blue car" is true, but there may be cases where "Bill owns a blue car" is false but "Bill owns a car" is true.
...so the claim "God exists and judges humanity" (or "God exists and doesn't judge humanity," for that matter) can't be any more true than "God exists," but it could be less true, so it would be irrational to take the leap to the more specific claim without good reason to do it.
Samantha Rinne
Resident Genderfluid Writer/Artist
Penguin. God exists is effectively proven by the logical difficulty of explaining a cause without him.
In an eternal universe, things simply exist because they always have, because matter cannot be created or destroyed. But in a causal (this event started everything) you run into the problem of laws of physics existing before there is a universe for them to operate in, in order to cause said event.
On the other hand, that God judges anything is not proven by the existence of the universe.
In an eternal universe, things simply exist because they always have, because matter cannot be created or destroyed. But in a causal (this event started everything) you run into the problem of laws of physics existing before there is a universe for them to operate in, in order to cause said event.
On the other hand, that God judges anything is not proven by the existence of the universe.
It's funny to me that you would bring up such an irrational reason for belief in a god in a discussion focused on rationality and (a subset of) theism.
On RF most people spend far and away more time reacting than they do thinking. Takes them longer to type out their responses than it does to think through their responses -- if they think through them at all. That's just the way it is around here.
shmogie
Well-Known Member
You are a master at creating posts for atheists who share your need to attack Christianity.
Your premise is false.
You are a creation of God, you are not a god, therefore you have no ability to judge God except with your human reasoning, which cannot be equal to God's reasoning or actions.
You are the master of assuming any post that takes a critical look at the tenets and dogma of Christianity is an attack on Christianity and created for atheists.
Should read: God is a creation of "you," a god is not "you," therefore God has no ability to judge "you" with your human reasoning, because God's reasoning cannot be equal to human reasoning or actions.
My opinion, of course.
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Yeah Shmogie, it's all about you and your religion. You're the center of the universe. Gosh, how could anything not be about you.
C'mon, everyone here knows it's about me and my fashion sense.
I would mostly go along with that but add the paradox that God as man can sin but God as God forgives the sin because God is forgiving himself as limited man from "sinning".This assumes a duality. Hinduism is largely non-dual. That is, “God” is not separate from creation (God in parentheses because it’s really Brahman we’re talking about). God is creation and existence.
Hinduism is monistic... only one thing, Brahman, exists from which everyone and everything emanates. One of the Mahāvākyāni (“Great Sayings”) of the Upanishads is aham brahmāsmi, literally, “I am Brahman”. How can God judge or punish Itself? And for what or why?
Our nature, our essence, is non-different from God. Hinduism is largely pantheistic and panentheistic (they’re not mutually exclusive per BG 10.20-42, and other texts from other sects). Not to mention it being mystical*10^100.
“26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: ...
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; ...”
That’s spiritual image, God has no physical form. So if man is created in God’s spiritual image how can Man be less than perfect like God? Unless God is not perfect and sins.
So it’s less a matter of insanity, cruelty, and/or control than it is one of illogic and irrationality that God should be judge, jury and executioner.
So from my POV as a Hindu, God does not and cannot judge. It would be illogical.
That's much more universal than RF. And, by the way, I'm guilty of that as I immediately knew that limiting it to RF was too limiting and a lot longer to type out my instantaneous judgement,
PureX
Veteran Member
I see no reason to believe that judgment has anything to do with existence beyond that of the human desire for equanimity. That being stated, though, I think our desire in that regard is noble, and perhaps even 'divine' in it's own way. So for those who want to see God as being concerned about such things I can understand their desire, and empathize with their need.
This whole judging "God" by us low mortals seems ridiculous.
If he is so omniscient & omnipotent, then we live in the universe
with the rules he made. A virus commenting on Ameristanian
politics would be less absurd.
I decree that there should be no such speculation about gods.
How very Evangelical of you.
The point was that I exhibited the behavior you noted deliberately to underline your point.
But, we do not know about your fashion sense.
I was going for fundamentalist, but I'll settle for evangelical.
Both groups are often clueless, either shoe fits your comment in post #33.