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Worship of the Personal Self

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
jesus said that god is spirit and should be worshiped in spirit


so why do some worship a man? a beast?


ecclesiastes 3:18-21
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
jesus said that god is spirit and should be worshiped in spirit


so why do some worship a man? a beast?


ecclesiastes 3:18-21

Do you mean like Jesus? Why do some worship Jesus, a man?
 

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
jesus said that god is spirit and should be worshiped in spirit


so why do some worship a man? a beast?


ecclesiastes 3:18-21

Because "Beast, Human, and God" are all a part of us.

Like other Gods (Pan, for example) Christ was all 3: Born amongst animals, raised a man, died a God. And like that, so are we:

Animals: born in blood, mortal, and dependent upon the natural world (Christ in the manger, Pan, the insatiable sexual beast.)

Human: the animal most capable of munipulating the environment to suit its needs and the one that faces the existential challenges of seeing itself as an individual within a greater whole. (Christ suffering on the Cross, Pan pitting his rustic pipe against the divine music of Apollo.)

God: a conscious extension of the Universe, co-creating and capable of peering into the mechanics of reality. (Christ reborn, Pan the fertility God bringing new life in the Spring.)
 

The Hammer

[REDACTED]
Premium Member
jesus said that god is spirit and should be worshiped in spirit


so why do some worship a man? a beast?


ecclesiastes 3:18-21

There are many paths up the Mountain of Spirit.

Not All of them pass through Jesus' gates, nor should it.

If someone can get there through the Self let them.

It's as valid a path as any other.

Regards
 

PureX

Veteran Member
jesus said that god is spirit and should be worshiped in spirit


so why do some worship a man? a beast?


ecclesiastes 3:18-21
People routinely confuse the objects and images representing or exemplifying an ideal with the ideal, itself. And "worship" is already the sign of an unhealthy conceptual obsession. So when someone starts worshiping images and objects and symbols as such, they have clearly lost touch with reality, IMO.
 

TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Do they worship Jesus, or do they worship God through Jesus? if the latter it would be no worship of man, right?

Jesus was flesh. The Station of Christ was the Holy Spirit.

Jesus confirmed that it was Christ we worship and it is Christ (the Holy Spirit) we come to God through.

Matthew 16:15 - 17
15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

Regards Tony
 

The Hammer

[REDACTED]
Premium Member
People routinely confuse the objects and images representing or exemplifying an ideal with the ideal, itself. And "worship" is already the sign of an unhealthy conceptual obsession. So when someone starts worshiping images and objects and symbols as such, they have clearly lost touch with reality, IMO.


Hey I use lots of symbols/symbolism and am in touch with reality.
 

TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member
jesus said that god is spirit and should be worshiped in spirit

so why do some worship a man? a beast?

ecclesiastes 3:18-21

The Messenger is all we can know of God. It is the Spirit of the Messenger that is our path to knowing all there is about God.

The person is not worshipped, the beleivers submit to the Spirit that shines from the Messengers.

Regards Tony
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
Because it's where these spirits actually come from.
the worship of a formed thing over the unformed spirit is idolatry in judaism. actually it would be idolatry in any religion. You're placing an emphasis on a created thing over other created things.
 
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Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
Because "Beast, Human, and God" are all a part of us.

Like other Gods (Pan, for example) Christ was all 3: Born amongst animals, raised a man, died a God. And like that, so are we:

Animals: born in blood, mortal, and dependent upon the natural world (Christ in the manger, Pan, the insatiable sexual beast.)

Human: the animal most capable of munipulating the environment to suit its needs and the one that faces the existential challenges of seeing itself as an individual within a greater whole. (Christ suffering on the Cross, Pan pitting his rustic pipe against the divine music of Apollo.)

God: a conscious extension of the Universe, co-creating and capable of peering into the mechanics of reality. (Christ reborn, Pan the fertility God bringing new life in the Spring.)
there is what is called the body\mind\spirit complex yes, but these exist at all three levels. you have the chemical, the etheric/energy/astral, and the causal body

but they do not appear the same at each level
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
People routinely confuse the objects and images representing or exemplifying an ideal with the ideal, itself. And "worship" is already the sign of an unhealthy conceptual obsession. So when someone starts worshiping images and objects and symbols as such, they have clearly lost touch with reality, IMO.


an attachment could be formed, yes. like the idea of love is an idea and an action; worshiping an image of a cherub/eros would be idolatry.
 

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
there is what is called the body\mind\spirit complex yes, but these exist at all three levels. you have the chemical, the etheric/energy/astral, and the causal body

but they do not appear the same at each level

I was speaking more metaphorically, relating two seemingly disparate mythological figures to our human experience. :)
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
The Messenger is all we can know of God. It is the Spirit of the Messenger that is our path to knowing all there is about God.

The person is not worshipped, the beleivers submit to the Spirit that shines from the Messengers.

Regards Tony
kinda like a cargo cult for some though. a messenger comes with a spiritual message, a spiritual gift. the gift, the message is the important thing, the delivery has been made. Will the person be delivered into the Spirit of Oneness?


many will come from the east and west to sit down at the table with Abraham/Brahman. come gather together for that great supper that all share in communion one with another.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
There are many paths up the Mountain of Spirit.

Not All of them pass through Jesus' gates, nor should it.

If someone can get there through the Self let them.

It's as valid a path as any other.

Regards
love lifted self upon a very high mountain and showed the way of love, the Law of One

Revelation 21:10

with love comes peace.

love isn't exclusive to christianity, or any religion.
 
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