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Worldview

Dao Hao Now

Active Member
Whatever preconceived notions I might have had was the result of responses from other people. Different people seem to often have different perspectives on what it is.
Of course different people have different perspectives, this can’t be news to you.
Essentially you asked for the definition of the word “worldview”.
Ask for a definition of “moral”, or “faith”, or “god”, or “religion”, or “evil”, or “science”, or “evolution”, or “claim”, or “evidence” or a multitude of other words and you will get a plethora of different perspectives.


However, your inclusion of “is this something that only applies to religious people?”, in the first instance, along with “and does everybody have one?” in this reiteration indicates you have a preconceived notion (or at least a suspicion) that it might be something exclusive to some people and absent in others.
This is before you got responses from different perspectives.

So again, what is your preconceived notion of what a worldview is that lead you to include the possibility of there being an exclusionary aspect to it?

I’m certain you are capable of using a dictionary, a encyclopedia, and or searching the internet.
You were given various links to more in-depth explanations of various aspects in addition to the different perspectives from the responses received.
So when you say….
If you will notice the first time I asked I was not given what I consider to be a reasonable response so there was not much to be learned from the first time I asked the question. A different perspective would be a response that actually makes sense to me.
What would qualify as a “reasonable response” that wasn’t given.
Is the reason none of these very valid responses fail to “actually make sense” to you, due to them not lining up with your as of yet disclosed preconceived notion?
 

Kfox

Well-Known Member
Of course different people have different perspectives, this can’t be news to you.
I don't recall implying it was news to me.
Essentially you asked for the definition of the word “worldview”.
Ask for a definition of “moral”, or “faith”, or “god”, or “religion”, or “evil”, or “science”, or “evolution”, or “claim”, or “evidence” or a multitude of other words and you will get a plethora of different perspectives.
With the exception of God, I think most people agree with the definitions for the most part concerning the other terms you listed.
However, your inclusion of “is this something that only applies to religious people?”, in the first instance, along with “and does everybody have one?” in this reiteration indicates you have a preconceived notion (or at least a suspicion) that it might be something exclusive to some people and absent in others.
This is before you got responses from different perspectives.
No, this was before getting responses from this forum. As I said before, this isn’t the only forum I respond to.
So again, what is your preconceived notion of what a worldview is that lead you to include the possibility of there being an exclusionary aspect to it?
The descriptions I’ve received.
I’m certain you are capable of using a dictionary, a encyclopedia, and or searching the internet.
You were given various links to more in-depth explanations of various aspects in addition to the different perspectives from the responses received.
So when you say….
Yeah I did do a little online research, they seem to only give a definition of worldview, they don’t seem to insist everybody has one. On this forum, people seem to insist everybody has one; that’s why I have so many questions concerning the issue.

What would qualify as a “reasonable response” that wasn’t given.
Is the reason none of these very valid responses fail to “actually make sense” to you, due to them not lining up with your as of yet disclosed preconceived notion?
The last question I asked back then only required a yes/no response, but nobody wanted to give that response; probably because they knew where it was leading…… to one of those conversations nobody wants to have.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Yeah I did do a little online research, they seem to only give a definition of worldview, they don’t seem to insist everybody has one. On this forum, people seem to insist everybody has one; that’s why I have so many questions concerning the issue.
I don't understand how anyone conscious could not have one.

Self-awareness is part of it, as well as individuation, time, spacial orientation, status and classification of things and of qualities, values, function, uses, color, &al.
One's entire perception of self, the world and how things work is involved.
 

Dao Hao Now

Active Member
I don't recall implying it was news to me.
The comment about it not being news to you, was meant to take it for granted that you were in fact aware that there would be different perspectives…..
However after your next comment, I may be forced to rescind that grant.
With the exception of God, I think most people agree with the definitions for the most part concerning the other terms you listed.


A very small sampling of threads that seem to indicate otherwise…….

Moral.. What is moral?​


By Faith. Why?​


Is science a religion?​


What exactly is evil?​

Is a Belief a Claim?​


Evidence means nothing with certain things​


No, this was before getting responses from this forum. As I said before, this isn’t the only forum I respond to.
Yes, and it was in this forum that you asked the question including the possibility of the being exclusive of some people and was apparently what you conceived at the time, and therefore your preconceived notion at that time.
So yet once again,…. what was (at the time you posted your questions) your preconceived notion of what a worldview entailed?
The descriptions I’ve received.
We are not privy to what descriptions you may have received on another forum, and those that were received on this forum (which you characterize as not being “reasonable” and apparently failed to “make sense” to you) apparently don’t pass your muster, and therefore presumably not your notion of worldview.

Why not simply disclose in your own words what your preconceived notion is?

Perhaps then someone may be better able to address the parts that don’t “make sense” to you or help you ascertain if they are in fact “reasonable”

When you say….
Yeah I did do a little online research, they seem to only give a definition of worldview, they don’t seem to insist everybody has one.
If those definitions “don’t insist everybody has one”, do they indicate in any way that there may be a reason to suspect that somebody may be excluded from having a worldview?
If not, why then did you become instilled with the idea that non-religious people, or anybody else for that matter, may not?

Do the definitions of “perspective” or “point of view” seem to “insist everybody has one”?
Do you doubt that non-religious people can have a perspective or a point of view?
Do you doubt that everybody has a perspective or a point of view?


The last question I asked back then only required a yes/no response, but nobody wanted to give that response; probably because they knew where it was leading…… to one of those conversations nobody wants to have.
Pray tell, where is it leading?
What “conversations nobody wants to have”?

This is a religious “conversations” forum…
I believe people come here to have conversations.
You complain about responses going beyond a
simple yes/no response, and in the very same sentence claim that nobody wants to have a conversation.
That’s hilarious!

Maybe stop beating around the bush and directly address this mysterious place where “they knew it was leading” and ask about whatever this “conversation nobody wants to have”?

I’ll give it a go…..

You asked:
1.)
What is a worldview? And is this something that only applies to religious people?
Since the only yes/no question I see here is….
Is a worldview “something that only applies to religious people?

Allow me to answer:
No.

2.)
What is a worldview, and does everybody have one?
Since the only yes/no question I see here is….
“Does everybody” have a worldview?

Allow me to answer:
Yes.

………now what?
 

The Hammer

[REDACTED]
Premium Member
The comment about it not being news to you, was meant to take it for granted that you were in fact aware that there would be different perspectives…..
However after your next comment, I may be forced to rescind that grant.



A very small sampling of threads that seem to indicate otherwise…….

Moral.. What is moral?​


By Faith. Why?​


Is science a religion?​


What exactly is evil?​

Is a Belief a Claim?​


Evidence means nothing with certain things​



Yes, and it was in this forum that you asked the question including the possibility of the being exclusive of some people and was apparently what you conceived at the time, and therefore your preconceived notion at that time.
So yet once again,…. what was (at the time you posted your questions) your preconceived notion of what a worldview entailed?

We are not privy to what descriptions you may have received on another forum, and those that were received on this forum (which you characterize as not being “reasonable” and apparently failed to “make sense” to you) apparently don’t pass your muster, and therefore presumably not your notion of worldview.

Why not simply disclose in your own words what your preconceived notion is?

Perhaps then someone may be better able to address the parts that don’t “make sense” to you or help you ascertain if they are in fact “reasonable”

When you say….

If those definitions “don’t insist everybody has one”, do they indicate in any way that there may be a reason to suspect that somebody may be excluded from having a worldview?
If not, why then did you become instilled with the idea that non-religious people, or anybody else for that matter, may not?

Do the definitions of “perspective” or “point of view” seem to “insist everybody has one”?
Do you doubt that non-religious people can have a perspective or a point of view?
Do you doubt that everybody has a perspective or a point of view?



Pray tell, where is it leading?
What “conversations nobody wants to have”?

This is a religious “conversations” forum…
I believe people come here to have conversations.
You complain about responses going beyond a
simple yes/no response, and in the very same sentence claim that nobody wants to have a conversation.
That’s hilarious!

Maybe stop beating around the bush and directly address this mysterious place where “they knew it was leading” and ask about whatever this “conversation nobody wants to have”?

I’ll give it a go…..

You asked:
1.)

Since the only yes/no question I see here is….
Is a worldview “something that only applies to religious people?

Allow me to answer:
No.

2.)

Since the only yes/no question I see here is….
“Does everybody” have a worldview?

Allow me to answer:
Yes.

………now what?

Don't expect a real response.
 

Dao Hao Now

Active Member
Don't expect a real response.
Yeah, that why my first response started with
Before I waste my time…a couple questions.
What’s the difference between what you are asking here…….
and here…….?

And what did you fail to understand from your first thread on the subject that has left you wondering the (as best I can determine) same question that you believe will bring you a different perspective?
But hey, what can I say…..I’m bored.;)
 

Kfox

Well-Known Member
I don't understand how anyone conscious could not have one.

Self-awareness is part of it, as well as individuation, time, spacial orientation, status and classification of things and of qualities, values, function, uses, color, &al.
One's entire perception of self, the world and how things work is involved.
My views and opinions are so varied that they can't be described as originating from one thing; a Worldview is a single thing.
 

Kfox

Well-Known Member
A very small sampling of threads that seem to indicate otherwise…….
When I said “most people” I was talking about people in the real world; not those who respond to threads like these

Moral.. What is moral?​


By Faith. Why?​


Is science a religion?​


What exactly is evil?​

Is a Belief a Claim?​


Evidence means nothing with certain things​

Most would say moral is that which is fair and right.
Most people see faith as to believe.
Most would not see science as a religion, because religion is something you hold above family, self, and your relationships with others; nobody will see science that way
Most will see evil as something bad. As I said before, other than God; most people will agree on those things
Yes, and it was in this forum that you asked the question including the possibility of the being exclusive of some people and was apparently what you conceived at the time, and therefore your preconceived notion at that time.
So yet once again,…. what was (at the time you posted your questions) your preconceived notion of what a worldview entailed?

We are not privy to what descriptions you may have received on another forum, and those that were received on this forum (which you characterize as not being “reasonable” and apparently failed to “make sense” to you) apparently don’t pass your muster, and therefore presumably not your notion of worldview.

Why not simply disclose in your own words what your preconceived notion is?

Perhaps then someone may be better able to address the parts that don’t “make sense” to you or help you ascertain if they are in fact “reasonable”

When you say….
My preconceived notion was that a worldview is something that does not exist, but a lot of people believe it does. Before going here, it was described to me as a lens people view their experiences of this world through. So a Christian with a Christian worldview will view everything through the lens of Christianity. What they believe about History, Science, Politics, morality, economics, etc. will be colored through their Christian beliefs. the problem with this claim is there is no single Christian belief, it varies from person to person.
If those definitions “don’t insist everybody has one”, do they indicate in any way that there may be a reason to suspect that somebody may be excluded from having a worldview?
No.
If not, why then did you become instilled with the idea that non-religious people, or anybody else for that matter, may not?
If you are gonna describe something, and insist everybody has one, in order for me to believe you, you must describe it in a way that convinces me I have one as well. If you describe it in a way that I feel does not apply to me, I will ask questions as I'm doing now.
Do the definitions of “perspective” or “point of view” seem to “insist everybody has one”?
Do you doubt that non-religious people can have a perspective or a point of view?
Do you doubt that everybody has a perspective or a point of view?
If worldview were described that way I would have agreed. But when I asked if worldview was basically one’s opinion, I got a quick resounding NO!
Since the only yes/no question I see here is….
“Does everybody” have a worldview?

Allow me to answer:
Yes.

………now what?
Actually if I recall correctly, the person I was responding to indicated there are multiple Christian worldviews, and multiple Atheist worldview due to the fact that you can’t predict ones political, social, economic, cultural and countless other views by whether they have a Christian worldview or Atheist worldview. So I asked him if it were possible that a person with a christian worldview might have more in common with someone with an atheist worldview who agrees with him on politics, economics, culture and countless other views compared to someone with a Christian worldview where he disagrees with concerning those issues. Would you like to answer that question?
 

Dao Hao Now

Active Member
When I said “most people” I was talking about people in the real world; not those who respond to threads like these
You brought up “most people” here;
With the exception of God, I think most people agree with the definitions for the most part concerning the other terms you listed.

When I asked if you had a preconceived notion of what a worldview was, since you had stated that none of the responses from the first time you had asked the question were “reasonable” and didn’t “make sense” to you, your statement was;
Whatever preconceived notions I might have had was the result of responses from other people. Different people seem to often have different perspectives on what it is.
Were these not the same “responses” in question?
These were the people I was referring to…when I said
Of course different people have different perspectives, this can’t be news to you.
Essentially you asked for the definition of the word “worldview”.
Ask for a definition of …….
Were they not the same people you were referring to when you answered….
With the exception of God, I think most people agree with the definitions for the most part concerning the other terms you listed.
In order to prevent further equivocation, how about we agree that any further discussion or reference to what anyone may have said or heard, comes not from “another forum” or “people in the real world” which can not be verified, but from this forum. (Unless specified otherwise at the time)
Seem reasonable?


Your experience must be vastly different than mine.
Both here and in “the real world” I have encountered many people who talk past one another due to different perspectives concerning the words I mentioned.
Most would say moral is that which is fair and right.
Most people see faith as to believe.
Most would not see science as a religion, because religion is something you hold above family, self, and your relationships with others; nobody will see science that way
Most will see evil as something bad. As I said before, other than God; most people will agree on those things
I’ve given you links on this forum to differing opinions on these concepts already.
I have in the “real world” (this is me specifying experiences outside of this forum), met people that have insisted that morals are what are commanded by god, not merely what humans consider “fair and right”.
That faith is something granted by god’s grace.
Many people that have claimed that science is “just another religion” that requires “faith” and that notable scientists are “worshiped”.
That evil is that which is devoid of god, sinful, and morally wrong; which is far different than just something that considered “bad”.
So without resorting to the fallacy of ad populum, I would contend that these are not settled concepts in many circles.


My preconceived notion was that a worldview is something that does not exist, but a lot of people believe it does. Before going here, it was described to me as a lens people view their experiences of this world through. So a Christian with a Christian worldview will view everything through the lens of Christianity. What they believe about History, Science, Politics, morality, economics, etc. will be colored through their Christian beliefs. the problem with this claim is there is no single Christian belief, it varies from person to person.
Did they claim that it was the same lens of Christianity; that all Christians see things the same way?
Why would you jump to the conclusion that there is only one “Christian lens” to look through?
You understand that Christian belief varies from person to person,…
Why would you assume that they don’t each have their own “Christian lens” that they view through and that those also vary from person to person?

You don’t think you have a view of the world which might be influenced by how you identify yourself, the culture you were raised in and those you may have been exposed to, the things you’ve learned and by who and how you were taught, the experiences you’ve had, that gives you a perspective —that while some of that perspective might be shared and have solidarity with others — is unique to you?


If worldview were described that way I would have agreed. But when I asked if worldview was basically one’s opinion, I got a quick resounding NO!
You’ll notice I did not use the word “opinion”.
I used the words “perspective” and “point of view”,……
They are synonyms of “worldview”.
“Opinion” is not a synonym of “worldview”.

Lets say you are a heterosexual male.
You see things through a heterosexual male perspective.
Standing beside you is a heterosexual female.
She sees things through a heterosexual female perspective.
Also standing there is a bisexual gender-fluid person.
They see things through a bisexual gender-fluid perspective.
Now along the street walks a young woman…..

Do you think that the opinion of whether that young woman is sexy, and to what degree she is deemed sexy might be impacted differently depending on which perspective between the three of you were taken into account?
Which of the three of you (yourself, the woman, or the gender-fluid person) do you think might be more likely to find the young woman walking by to be very sexy?
Which of the three of you do you think might be less likely to find the young woman walking by to not be particularly sexy?
Do you think that the difference between those two opinions might be influenced by the different perspectives?

Now imagine there is a fourth person standing there with the three previously mentioned.
He is another heterosexual male.
The same young woman walks back by….
Do you think the new guy’s opinion about how sexy that young woman walking by, might be closer to your opinion…
or to the heterosexual females opinion….
or to the bisexual gender-fluid persons opinion?
Do you think the new guy’s opinion would necessarily be the same as your opinion, since you would both be seeing her from a heterosexual male perspective?
Or do you think that your opinion might vary somewhat, depending on what “type” of young women you and the other guy might find more appealing?


Actually if I recall correctly, the person I was responding to indicated there are multiple Christian worldviews, and multiple Atheist worldview due to the fact that you can’t predict ones political, social, economic, cultural and countless other views by whether they have a Christian worldview or Atheist worldview. So I asked him if it were possible that a person with a christian worldview might have more in common with someone with an atheist worldview who agrees with him on politics, economics, culture and countless other views compared to someone with a Christian worldview where he disagrees with concerning those issues. Would you like to answer that question?
Sure.
Is it possible? Yes.
Considering politics, culture, and countless other views are often heavily influenced by religion, the likelihood of how closely this hypothetical Christian and atheist might have in common would most probably depend on what “type” of Christian he is…..fundamentalists evangelical?….cultural Catholic?….liberal Episcopalian?
And the leanings of the atheist.

Going by your hypothetical scenario since the Christian in question disagrees with the other Christian on the topics at hand, while he agrees with the atheist on the topics at hand……
then yes…
he would have more in common with the atheist than with the other Christian…..at least where the topics at hand are concerned.
It may well be different when other topics are under discussion.

From my scenario above…
If the second heterosexual male and the gender-fluid person who are seeing things from different perspectives, but are both into a goth/punk anti-establishment vibe, and the young woman walking by is all tatted out with safety pins and studs sticking out of her face and a shocking pink spiked mohawk, the two of them might have the opinion that she is hot, hot, hot!
While you, although you share the heterosexual male perspective with the other guy, might be more into the straight laced corporate vibe, and might be of the opinion that she is not.

So the other two who do not see things through the same perspective (heterosexual male perspective and bisexual gender-fluid perspective) would agree.
While you and the other heterosexual guy see things through the same heterosexual male perspective, yet disagree.

This really isn’t that complicated.
 

Hermit Philosopher

Selflessly here for you
What is a worldview, and does everybody have one?

K
What is your actual question though? Because like anyone, over time you will have acquired a view on how the world is and why it is so, yes?
That’s a worldview.

Worldviews are concepts about the hows and whys of what we encounter.

Worldviews grow in complexity as we experience and reflect upon more and more aspects to things.

I’d say that everyone has a worldview but that no one’s worldview is ever complete; all worldviews are perspectives in constant progress and no [human] worldview encompasses all that there is in the world.

Are there collectively held views about the world? Yes. And your own worldview will have been influenced by many collectively held ones.

This means that you will agree with aspects of multiple collective views but most likely struggle to find a single collective worldview with which all aspects you will agree.

And that is healthy.
For should you genuinely come across a collective worldview with which you completely agree in every single aspect, this could be a telling sign that you have been successfully subjected to brainwash - something no person ever is, to their own knowledge.


Humbly,
Hermit
 

Kfox

Well-Known Member
In order to prevent further equivocation, how about we agree that any further discussion or reference to what anyone may have said or heard, comes not from “another forum” or “people in the real world” which can not be verified, but from this forum. (Unless specified otherwise at the time)
Seem reasonable?
I will do you one even better; when speaking with YOU I will only respond in the context of what you’ve said; nobody else, even others on this forum. The only reason I mentioned people on other forums is because I was asked where did I get my preconceived notions of Worldview, before even talking to anyone here; so I was forced to mention people on other forums.
I’ve given you links on this forum to differing opinions on these concepts already.
I have in the “real world” (this is me specifying experiences outside of this forum), met people that have insisted that morals are what are commanded by god, not merely what humans consider “fair and right”.
That faith is something granted by god’s grace.
Many people that have claimed that science is “just another religion” that requires “faith” and that notable scientists are “worshiped”.
That evil is that which is devoid of god, sinful, and morally wrong; which is far different than just something that considered “bad”.
So without resorting to the fallacy of ad populum, I would contend that these are not settled concepts in many circles.
If you believe these terms vary from person to person, I have no problem with that. I may not agree, but I can understand why you see it that way.
Did they claim that it was the same lens of Christianity; that all Christians see things the same way?
Why would you jump to the conclusion that there is only one “Christian lens” to look through?
You understand that Christian belief varies from person to person,…
Why would you assume that they don’t each have their own “Christian lens” that they view through and that those also vary from person to person?
The way it was described to me was “A” Christian lens not multiple. When I asked about multiple Christian denominations and beliefs, he quit responding. However when I came here, they spoke of multiple Christian beliefs; so I asked of the possibility of some atheist worldview might be closer to some christian worldview than other christian world views, and that is when the conversation ended here.
You don’t think you have a view of the world which might be influenced by how you identify yourself, the culture you were raised in and those you may have been exposed to, the things you’ve learned and by who and how you were taught, the experiences you’ve had, that gives you a perspective —that while some of that perspective might be shared and have solidarity with others — is unique to you?
Of course I do! I call those my opinions.
You’ll notice I did not use the word “opinion”.
I used the words “perspective” and “point of view”,……
They are synonyms of “worldview”.
“Opinion” is not a synonym of “worldview”.

Lets say you are a heterosexual male.
You see things through a heterosexual male perspective.
Standing beside you is a heterosexual female.
She sees things through a heterosexual female perspective.
Also standing there is a bisexual gender-fluid person.
They see things through a bisexual gender-fluid perspective.
Now along the street walks a young woman…..

Do you think that the opinion of whether that young woman is sexy, and to what degree she is deemed sexy might be impacted differently depending on which perspective between the three of you were taken into account?
Which of the three of you (yourself, the woman, or the gender-fluid person) do you think might be more likely to find the young woman walking by to be very sexy?
Which of the three of you do you think might be less likely to find the young woman walking by to not be particularly sexy?
Do you think that the difference between those two opinions might be influenced by the different perspectives?

Now imagine there is a fourth person standing there with the three previously mentioned.
He is another heterosexual male.
The same young woman walks back by….
Do you think the new guy’s opinion about how sexy that young woman walking by, might be closer to your opinion…
or to the heterosexual females opinion….
or to the bisexual gender-fluid persons opinion?
Do you think the new guy’s opinion would necessarily be the same as your opinion, since you would both be seeing her from a heterosexual male perspective?
Or do you think that your opinion might vary somewhat, depending on what “type” of young women you and the other guy might find more appealing?
I see your point; however I suspect had I substituted “opinion” for “perspective” I would have gotten the same resounding “NO” from those people. If worldview were described as your opinion or perspective, that would make perfect sense to me.
Sure.
Is it possible? Yes.
Considering politics, culture, and countless other views are often heavily influenced by religion, the likelihood of how closely this hypothetical Christian and atheist might have in common would most probably depend on what “type” of Christian he is…..fundamentalists evangelical?….cultural Catholic?….liberal Episcopalian?
And the leanings of the atheist.

Going by your hypothetical scenario since the Christian in question disagrees with the other Christian on the topics at hand, while he agrees with the atheist on the topics at hand……
then yes…
he would have more in common with the atheist than with the other Christian…..at least where the topics at hand are concerned.
It may well be different when other topics are under discussion.

From my scenario above…
If the second heterosexual male and the gender-fluid person who are seeing things from different perspectives, but are both into a goth/punk anti-establishment vibe, and the young woman walking by is all tatted out with safety pins and studs sticking out of her face and a shocking pink spiked mohawk, the two of them might have the opinion that she is hot, hot, hot!
While you, although you share the heterosexual male perspective with the other guy, might be more into the straight laced corporate vibe, and might be of the opinion that she is not.

So the other two who do not see things through the same perspective (heterosexual male perspective and bisexual gender-fluid perspective) would agree.
While you and the other heterosexual guy see things through the same heterosexual male perspective, yet disagree.

This really isn’t that complicated.
IMO what you say makes perfect sense. However; I suspect many I’ve discussed with here would not consider “heterosexual male” as a worldview, perhaps a part of a worldview, but not the entirety.
 

Treasure Hunter

Well-Known Member
Perhaps I've sold my soul to the devil and am in league with him.
Maybe I'm just a mischievous jinn.
ho knows? :shrug:
Your soul betrayed your self. It promised the self a paradise in this world. When the illusion was shattered, the self was orphaned and became the child of a different father.

This father promised to protect you from the pain in exchange for strict obedience and loyalty. There is no other father but him and ideas about God and soul are not real.

When he failed to protect you as promised, he hid himself in the shadows and put you in the position of perceived sovereignty so you can no longer blame him. Meanwhile, he still pulls the strings because you still hire yourself out to him and keep working for him to maintain the deception that you are sovereign.

This is how the universal story goes.
 

Dao Hao Now

Active Member
The way it was described to me was “A” Christian lens not multiple. When I asked about multiple Christian denominations and beliefs, he quit responding. However when I came here, they spoke of multiple Christian beliefs
This is why I asked;
Why would you jump to the conclusion that there is only one “Christian lens” to look through?
You understand that Christian belief varies from person to person,…
Also, you can’t take a single person’s opinion as the definitive viewpoint on a subject, (including mine and yours) it’s important to remember that an opinion is subjective to that individual and can be wrong or misspoken.
Particularly when the distinctive difference comes down to the precise (or interpreted) meaning of a word in context.

Of course I do! I call those my opinions.
Here is a perfect example.
“Opinions” are are often influenced by, or rooted in ones worldview…from ones perspective.

As I pointed out previously, “opinion” is not generally accepted as a synonym of “worldview”….

If you consult multiple dictionaries or thesauruses, “opinion” is not listed as synonymous with “worldview”.
And in those where it is listed, it is way down on the list indicating it to be a weak synonym
and becomes very dependent on context.

Those strong synonyms listed are usually “perspective,” or “viewpoint,” or “standpoint.”
Each of these words shares the overarching concept of how an individual views the world, interprets information, and makes decisions based on their beliefs.
Which might then be described as due to that perspective, or viewpoint, or standpoint, that they have come to their opinion.


As I attempted to illustrate to you with my scenario… how their “opinion” of how sexy the woman walking by is influenced by their perspective; their opinion is often a result (at least in part) of their perspective.
(think worldview)
If you were to somehow change their perspective, (say from heterosexual to homosexual) it is likely that their opinion would be different.
In other words an opinion is often the result of their perspective. (again, think worldview)


Take a fundamentalist, bible literalist, who may well describe his as a Christian worldview.
His “opinion” on whether the theory of evolution by natural selection is viable and his “opinion” concerning the age and origin of the earth would be due to, caused by, rooted in his fundamentalists, bible literalist, young earth creationist (what he would merely label as “Christian”) world view.

Now suppose down the road, he loses his faith and becomes an atheist…..
In all likelihood he would no longer hold those same “opinions” concerning those subjects…
His opinions would have been altered because, due to, as result of, no longer seeing the world through his previous fundamentalist, bible literalist, young earth creationist (what he had merely labeled as “Christian”) worldview….
he would now be seeing things through a different perspective.

He may still be politically conservative, he may still hold to the same economic theories, he may still be family oriented, same work ethic, same hobbies, etc., all of which may contribute to his overall amalgamated worldview, which he would probably no longer label as a “Christian” worldview since the part of his identity that he may have placed forefront and central while he held that point of view has changed and he no longer sees it as his central outward identity.

He would have updated that portion of his worldview and dispelled his opinions on evolution and the age of the earth in favor of new opinions concerning those subjects enabled by the change in that portion of his worldview which he wouldn’t have considered while still viewing them from his previous fundamentalist, bible literalist, young earth creationist perspective.

He still has a worldview, an amalgamated overall view of the world, with many of the same influences and thus opinions as previously, yet with the exception of his opinions concerning evolution and earth origin due to that updated portion.
How he labels that worldview is his prerogative, as it was before.
He may not give it a name beyond “my worldview”, due to his realization that it no longer aligns with one he perceives to be easily identified or understood by a single word or phrase.



I see your point; however I suspect had I substituted “opinion” for “perspective” I would have gotten the same resounding “NO” from those people. If worldview were described as your opinion or perspective, that would make perfect sense to me.
This is not a suggested course of action.
Remember the old saying…. “When you ASSUME, you make an “A##” of “U” and “ME”?
This is the very sort of scenario being warned about.
Especially when the assumption concerns a key pivotal “lynchpin” of a concept.
You’ve assumed the same outcome by assuming that they don’t perceive a distinction in the same way that you don’t perceive a distinction between “opinion” and “perspective”, when that distinction is the hinge point of the concept…
the linchpin, the crux of the differing concepts.
This is unfruitful grounds.

This is why I pointed out the differing interpretations of the different words discussed in the previous post (moral, evil, science etc).

If you fail to take into account their interpretation of these words….
(for instance how the responder didn’t take your lack of distinction between “opinion” and “perspective” into account)….
and assume they share your concept of words, when in fact they don’t, you end up talking past one another and not having a fruitful conversation.


IMO what you say makes perfect sense. However; I suspect many I’ve discussed with here would not consider “heterosexual male” as a worldview, perhaps a part of a worldview, but not the entirety.
Again, assuming can be dangerous.
Worldviews are generally considered to be an amalgamation of perspectives concerning various subjects, interpretations of information, and beliefs combined to determine the vantage point from how a person views and interprets the world from which he may form opinions and his perception of things within the world.


How they view politics may come from the perspective (worldview) of a conservative, or liberal, or progressive, etc.
How they view religion may come from the perspective (worldview) of a Christian, or Buddhist, or Muslim, etc.
How the view culture may come from the perspective (worldview) of a conformist, or a non-conformist, or an anarchist, etc.
How the view sexual attractiveness may come from the perspective of a heterosexual, or a homosexual, or a bisexual, etc
All of these perspectives (worldviews) can and generally are combined into an amalgamated, overarching worldview of a single individual whose various individual components add together to form a worldview unique to that individual.
Since some of these perspectives (which combined constitute the whole) may very well influence some of the other perspectives.
(for example their religious perspective often influences their political and/or cultural perspectives)
If one perspective is more dominant over their other perspectives and more foremost or central to their identity and given more emphasis over others…..they may well identify themselves with that worldview to others, as a shortcut for them to understand and quickly assimilate their understanding of what they mean.

So when, in my example above, the person who self identified as having a “Christian worldview”
(believing that “real” Christians would share his interpretation of “Christian”)
and by understanding him to be a fundamentalist, bible literalist, young earth creationist…. its not a far leap to understand his opinions about evolution and the age of the earth.

It’s also not rare for a person to specify which part of their overall worldview they are tapping into when discussing a particular topic.
So if someone where talking about politics they may say something like “from my conservative worldview that law creates unnecessary regulatory burden and will likely be a drag on business”.
Even if that person were a heterosexual male, it is unlikely that would preface a conversation about politics with “from my heterosexual world view”, because that is not the perspective they are bringing to bear on the subject.
They may preface their opinion on the attractiveness of a person with that perspective though…..”speaking as a straight guy, that girl is hot!”
Or even more likely as a qualifier to emphasize what they see as an objective fact…
“Speaking as a straight guy, I must concede that’s a good looking man!”
Which is declaring a heterosexual male worldview, but not in as many words.
 

Willamena

Just me
Premium Member
Actually I forgot I asked this question before. If I recall correctly, your claim was that each worldview is different, pretty much no two alike, but some worldviews share the same name (Christian worldview, Atheist worldview, Communist worldview; etc. etc.) So the question becomes; why would some have the same name if they are different?
Personal worldview.

We're not all the same.
 

Willamena

Just me
Premium Member
So if a person identifies as (for example) a Christian when it comes to religion, a Democrat when it comes to politics, a Socialist when it comes to economics, a Vegan when it comes to diet, and a Pacifist when it comes to Militarism, how does one get a single worldview when he identifies as so many different things when it comes to such a variety of different subjects?
The sum of the parts?
 

Kfox

Well-Known Member
This is why I asked;

Also, you can’t take a single person’s opinion as the definitive viewpoint on a subject, (including mine and yours) it’s important to remember that an opinion is subjective to that individual and can be wrong or misspoken.
Particularly when the distinctive difference comes down to the precise (or interpreted) meaning of a word in context.


Here is a perfect example.
“Opinions” are are often influenced by, or rooted in ones worldview…from ones perspective.

As I pointed out previously, “opinion” is not generally accepted as a synonym of “worldview”….

If you consult multiple dictionaries or thesauruses, “opinion” is not listed as synonymous with “worldview”.
And in those where it is listed, it is way down on the list indicating it to be a weak synonym
and becomes very dependent on context.

Those strong synonyms listed are usually “perspective,” or “viewpoint,” or “standpoint.”
Each of these words shares the overarching concept of how an individual views the world, interprets information, and makes decisions based on their beliefs.
Which might then be described as due to that perspective, or viewpoint, or standpoint, that they have come to their opinion.


As I attempted to illustrate to you with my scenario… how their “opinion” of how sexy the woman walking by is influenced by their perspective; their opinion is often a result (at least in part) of their perspective.
(think worldview)
If you were to somehow change their perspective, (say from heterosexual to homosexual) it is likely that their opinion would be different.
In other words an opinion is often the result of their perspective. (again, think worldview)


Take a fundamentalist, bible literalist, who may well describe his as a Christian worldview.
His “opinion” on whether the theory of evolution by natural selection is viable and his “opinion” concerning the age and origin of the earth would be due to, caused by, rooted in his fundamentalists, bible literalist, young earth creationist (what he would merely label as “Christian”) world view.

Now suppose down the road, he loses his faith and becomes an atheist…..
In all likelihood he would no longer hold those same “opinions” concerning those subjects…
His opinions would have been altered because, due to, as result of, no longer seeing the world through his previous fundamentalist, bible literalist, young earth creationist (what he had merely labeled as “Christian”) worldview….
he would now be seeing things through a different perspective.

He may still be politically conservative, he may still hold to the same economic theories, he may still be family oriented, same work ethic, same hobbies, etc., all of which may contribute to his overall amalgamated worldview, which he would probably no longer label as a “Christian” worldview since the part of his identity that he may have placed forefront and central while he held that point of view has changed and he no longer sees it as his central outward identity.

He would have updated that portion of his worldview and dispelled his opinions on evolution and the age of the earth in favor of new opinions concerning those subjects enabled by the change in that portion of his worldview which he wouldn’t have considered while still viewing them from his previous fundamentalist, bible literalist, young earth creationist perspective.

He still has a worldview, an amalgamated overall view of the world, with many of the same influences and thus opinions as previously, yet with the exception of his opinions concerning evolution and earth origin due to that updated portion.
How he labels that worldview is his prerogative, as it was before.
He may not give it a name beyond “my worldview”, due to his realization that it no longer aligns with one he perceives to be easily identified or understood by a single word or phrase.




This is not a suggested course of action.
Remember the old saying…. “When you ASSUME, you make an “A##” of “U” and “ME”?
This is the very sort of scenario being warned about.
Especially when the assumption concerns a key pivotal “lynchpin” of a concept.
You’ve assumed the same outcome by assuming that they don’t perceive a distinction in the same way that you don’t perceive a distinction between “opinion” and “perspective”, when that distinction is the hinge point of the concept…
the linchpin, the crux of the differing concepts.
This is unfruitful grounds.

This is why I pointed out the differing interpretations of the different words discussed in the previous post (moral, evil, science etc).

If you fail to take into account their interpretation of these words….
(for instance how the responder didn’t take your lack of distinction between “opinion” and “perspective” into account)….
and assume they share your concept of words, when in fact they don’t, you end up talking past one another and not having a fruitful conversation.



Again, assuming can be dangerous.
Worldviews are generally considered to be an amalgamation of perspectives concerning various subjects, interpretations of information, and beliefs combined to determine the vantage point from how a person views and interprets the world from which he may form opinions and his perception of things within the world.


How they view politics may come from the perspective (worldview) of a conservative, or liberal, or progressive, etc.
How they view religion may come from the perspective (worldview) of a Christian, or Buddhist, or Muslim, etc.
How the view culture may come from the perspective (worldview) of a conformist, or a non-conformist, or an anarchist, etc.
How the view sexual attractiveness may come from the perspective of a heterosexual, or a homosexual, or a bisexual, etc
All of these perspectives (worldviews) can and generally are combined into an amalgamated, overarching worldview of a single individual whose various individual components add together to form a worldview unique to that individual.
Since some of these perspectives (which combined constitute the whole) may very well influence some of the other perspectives.
(for example their religious perspective often influences their political and/or cultural perspectives)
If one perspective is more dominant over their other perspectives and more foremost or central to their identity and given more emphasis over others…..they may well identify themselves with that worldview to others, as a shortcut for them to understand and quickly assimilate their understanding of what they mean.

So when, in my example above, the person who self identified as having a “Christian worldview”
(believing that “real” Christians would share his interpretation of “Christian”)
and by understanding him to be a fundamentalist, bible literalist, young earth creationist…. its not a far leap to understand his opinions about evolution and the age of the earth.

It’s also not rare for a person to specify which part of their overall worldview they are tapping into when discussing a particular topic.
So if someone where talking about politics they may say something like “from my conservative worldview that law creates unnecessary regulatory burden and will likely be a drag on business”.
Even if that person were a heterosexual male, it is unlikely that would preface a conversation about politics with “from my heterosexual world view”, because that is not the perspective they are bringing to bear on the subject.
They may preface their opinion on the attractiveness of a person with that perspective though…..”speaking as a straight guy, that girl is hot!”
Or even more likely as a qualifier to emphasize what they see as an objective fact…
“Speaking as a straight guy, I must concede that’s a good looking man!”
Which is declaring a heterosexual male worldview, but not in as many words.
So rather than a person having one worldview that covers every subject a person could possibly address, he will have a worldview for each subject he is addressing; example he may have a Christian worldview concerning the subject of religion, a progressive worldview concerning the issue of politics, a Hispanic worldview when it comes to culture; etc. etc. would you agree?
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
No. A worldview is the totality of all the parts, it's the unified whole.
The various subdivisions each have their own labels.
 

Koldo

Outstanding Member
Unless I'm missing something, this sounds like an explanation of how one forms their worldview, rather than what a worldview actually is.

Worldview is an aggregate of (metaphysical, epistemological, ethical...) perspectives.
 

Kfox

Well-Known Member
No. A worldview is the totality of all the parts, it's the unified whole.
The various subdivisions each have their own labels.
How is that possible? How is it possible for one thing to represent a million different things that have little or nothing to do with each other?
 
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