1. Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:
    • Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
    • Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
    • Access to private conversations with other members.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!

Featured World Peace and Religion

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Ponder This, May 3, 2019.

  1. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2017
    Messages:
    15,647
    Ratings:
    +11,065
    Religion:
    None

    Actually they (most) teach they are the only way, even sects of religion are taught to loath other sects of the same religion.

    Is that your god or someone elses god?

    Religious books do not change much with time. Life grows, religion is static
     
  2. Tony Bristow-Stagg

    Tony Bristow-Stagg Ocean Immersion
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    May 12, 2017
    Messages:
    7,761
    Ratings:
    +3,094
    Religion:
    Baha'i
    You get to make your choice. There is an old saying that we reap what we sow.

    The Baha'i way is to continue to build loving and peaceful communities, built on virtues and no prejudice. I see many others doing the same thing, all the while the defective rule of men in an old world order brings us towards foretold events. When and how?

    The required change is our choice, each and all of us.

    Regards Tony
     
  3. Trailblazer

    Trailblazer Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 27, 2017
    Messages:
    8,993
    Ratings:
    +2,049
    Religion:
    Baha'i
    That is true, but sects are creations of man, not revelations from God.
    It's not my God.
    It is true that the spiritual teachings in religions do not change over time because human nature does not change that much, but the social teachings need to change over time because the society in which we live does change over time.
     
  4. loverofhumanity

    loverofhumanity Well-Known Member
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Jan 19, 2016
    Messages:
    6,477
    Ratings:
    +2,776
    Religion:
    Baha'i Faith
    I agree with you totally.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  5. Samantha Rinne

    Samantha Rinne Active Member

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2018
    Messages:
    812
    Ratings:
    +261
    Religion:
    Follower (and Writer) of the Mune Shinri
    Any "religion" that people fight wars in the name of is either a false religion, or those fighting for it are false followers. The meaning of the word "religion" is quite literally, to reconnect. That is, the end goal of religion is for peace and prosperity.

    Also, you're extremely naive. There are some who use the word "peace" as a front for what they are really doing which is conquest and demanding submission. For example, if a dictator takes power "peacefully" by disarming all but the troops and police, and uses those forces to coerce absolute obedience, you do have the absence of violence, yes. But you also have a system that completely runs the lives of everyday people, enslaves them and keeps them in fear. True peace is not an empire built on an army of people who behave like clones oppressing the citizen, but a republic where each person is free and separate (and yes I have been watching Star Wars). Separate nations. Separate cultures.

    Colonialism, globalism, same concept just the first was mostly employed by the right and the second by the left. They're euphemisms for the real word. Imperialism. Something that has been around since the Roman Empire. The desire to rule the world and people's lives. This is the Antichrist, the idea of One-World Government.

    Religion can save the world best not by being peaceful, nor by being aggressive (we don't need to spread any religions), but by maintaining cultural borders. Europe and America is Christian, Israel is Jewish, the Middle East is Muslim, Africa should be folk animist, India is Hindu, and Asia is Taoist and Buddhist. The world doesn't need to all be Christian or Muslim or whatever. It needs to be what it is. When people respect borders as a religion then they respect boundaries as a people. When they do that, they respect the real rights of others. Then and only then, is there actual peace. The other "peace" is actually control.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  6. loverofhumanity

    loverofhumanity Well-Known Member
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Jan 19, 2016
    Messages:
    6,477
    Ratings:
    +2,776
    Religion:
    Baha'i Faith
    I too believe that religion has the power to unite the world but the religion of God not the religion of man.
    By that I mean that over time most religions which were once religions of God were usurped by ambitious and selfish leaders who started wars and created divisions and destroyed the foundation of the religion of God which is love and unity and turned it into their own personal fiefdoms.

    So I believe in every age religion is renewed by God. I think in the Bible it’s called ‘cleansing of the sanctuary’.

    The outward forms of religion exist today but where is unity and love?

    I think religion can unite humanity if we detach ourselves from the words of religious leaders and cling solely to what the Holy Books teach which is to love one another, to be kind to all, to be forgiving and overlook the faults of others.

    We need to detach ourselves from the poisonous snake of ‘us and them’ mentality that leaders of religion have been teaching and accept only unconditional ,love for all humanity as the foundation of our beliefs.

    God created all humanity the Jew, the Hindu, the Buddhist and Muslim and He makes the sun to shines upon all not preferring one over the other. So too we should love all and not discriminate or erect barriers between us and our fellow human beings who also were created by God. Otherwise we have no right to call ourselves religious while at the same time condemning or vilifying other fellow human beings for having different beliefs.

    We are all human, we are one human family.
     
    • Like Like x 2
  7. JJ50

    JJ50 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 28, 2015
    Messages:
    2,397
    Ratings:
    +1,137
    Religion:
    Agnostic
    Religion has been the cause of many of the world's problems, I hope belief in all gods will cease in the not too distant future.
     
  8. loverofhumanity

    loverofhumanity Well-Known Member
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Jan 19, 2016
    Messages:
    6,477
    Ratings:
    +2,776
    Religion:
    Baha'i Faith
    Just interest. What do you mean by religion. What do you want to see gone?

    Why I ask that is because religion teaches to love thy neighbour, to be forgiving, to help the poor, to be kind, generous, compassionate, just, humble, courteous, patient, to serve humanity, to put others first before oneself, to be respectful to one’s teachers, friendliness, unity, thankfulness, honourable, to keep one’s promise,, excellence, integrity, cleanliness, trustworthiness, truthfulness, thoughtfulness, cooperation, wisdom.

    So are you saying to discard these qualities or by religion do you mean something else because I see many of these virtues as essential for our very survival?

    On the other hand if you pointed to religious leadership as the main problem I would agree because it’s leaders with selfish ambitions that started wars and divided religions into fiefdoms of their own not the original Founder or Holy Book.
     
  9. JJ50

    JJ50 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 28, 2015
    Messages:
    2,397
    Ratings:
    +1,137
    Religion:
    Agnostic
    By religion I mean a believe in gods like Christianity and Islam. The gods featured in those two religions are highly unpleasant indeed.
     
  10. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2017
    Messages:
    15,647
    Ratings:
    +11,065
    Religion:
    None

    Son once again you say god is not omniscient. Sects are groups who interpret their holy book in a particular way.

    So could be Odin or Huitzilopochtli, perhaps Aphrodite ot Anoia?

    Holy books should not provide social education fit for todays lifestyle. It is unfortunate that some people think they can.
     
  11. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2017
    Messages:
    15,647
    Ratings:
    +11,065
    Religion:
    None

    Son once again you say god is not omniscient. Sects are groups who interpret their holy book in a particular way.

    So could be Odin or Huitzilopochtli, perhaps Aphrodite ot Anoia?

    Holy books should not provide social education fit for todays lifestyle. It is unfortunate that some people think they can.
     
  12. loverofhumanity

    loverofhumanity Well-Known Member
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Jan 19, 2016
    Messages:
    6,477
    Ratings:
    +2,776
    Religion:
    Baha'i Faith
    But the virtues I mentioned are taught in the Bible and Quran so do you think that these virtues are unpleasant and want them to disappear?

    How can such beautiful virtues be taught by unpleasant gods?
     
  13. JJ50

    JJ50 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 28, 2015
    Messages:
    2,397
    Ratings:
    +1,137
    Religion:
    Agnostic
    The virtues taught in the Bible/Quran are ones humans have come up with, nothing to do with any god, imo.
     
  14. loverofhumanity

    loverofhumanity Well-Known Member
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Jan 19, 2016
    Messages:
    6,477
    Ratings:
    +2,776
    Religion:
    Baha'i Faith
    I would like to see how humans invented the virtues if what you say is true. How did they first come up with them. I can’t see them doing that without an Educator.
     
  15. JJ50

    JJ50 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 28, 2015
    Messages:
    2,397
    Ratings:
    +1,137
    Religion:
    Agnostic
    Well the god of the Bible, with which I am more familiar, having had it forced down my throat as a child, was no sort of example at all, Satan could not be more evil.
     
  16. loverofhumanity

    loverofhumanity Well-Known Member
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Jan 19, 2016
    Messages:
    6,477
    Ratings:
    +2,776
    Religion:
    Baha'i Faith
    Yes I ran away too because they used fear and scare mongering to control followers instead of love. I think that was a mistake of the leaders but not Jesus because He always emphasized love.
     
  17. JJ50

    JJ50 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 28, 2015
    Messages:
    2,397
    Ratings:
    +1,137
    Religion:
    Agnostic
    Very loving when he trashed the Temple, and when he frightened the pigs over the cliff whilst playing exorcism hocus pocus!
     
  18. Ponder This

    Ponder This Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 24, 2014
    Messages:
    1,126
    Ratings:
    +317
    Religion:
    i am not
    It is interesting to note that even if all beliefs in all gods were to dissipate, religion would yet still remain...
     
  19. JJ50

    JJ50 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 28, 2015
    Messages:
    2,397
    Ratings:
    +1,137
    Religion:
    Agnostic
    What do you mean by that?
     
  20. paarsurrey

    paarsurrey Veteran Member

    Joined:
    May 9, 2012
    Messages:
    16,089
    Ratings:
    +1,778
    If correctly understood Religion bonds humans to unity, peace and justice; if not correctly understood it is the fault of the vested individuals not of the Religion itself. Right, please?

    Regards
     
Loading...