world oil reserves gone in 19 years

[james dixon]

 

[Valjean]

Unfortunately no. Though the date of warming will increase and be worse at its peak if we do not stop soon. The problem with carbon dioxide is that it takes much more than decades to remove it from the atmosphere. Even if we quit now temperatures will continue to rise until the end of the centurycentury, and then some.

It's not just carbon dioxide, though. Methane is a much more potent greenhouse gas and is currently issuing from arctic tundra and lakes at unprecedented levels.
Then there's ocean warming -- that's where most of the greenhouse heat has been going.
How long before the methane hydrates blanketing large areas of the bottom start melting? These hold more carbon than all the world's coal and oil reserves combined.
Warming seas also expand, as well as taking on water from melting ice. Larger surface = more evaporation -- and water vapor is also a greenhouse gas.

Is there any way of stopping these processes, or have we reached a tipping point, where, like a kindled fire, the process will continue and grow, even if all of us were swept up to Mars tomorrow?

 

[Subduction Zone]

It's not just carbon dioxide, though. Methane is a much more potent greenhouse gas and is currently issuing from arctic tundra and lakes at unprecedented levels.
Then there's ocean warming -- that's where most of the greenhouse heat has been going.
How long before the methane hydrates blanketing large areas of the bottom start melting? These hold more carbon than all the world's coal and oil reserves combined.
Warming seas also expand, as well as taking on water from melting ice. Larger surface = more evaporation -- and water vapor is also a greenhouse gas.

Is there any way of stopping these processes, or have we reached a tipping point, where, like a kindled fire, the process will continue and grow, even if all of us were swept up to Mars tomorrow?

Yes, methane is a problem too, but it is secondary. Molecule for molecule it is a much stronger greenhouse gas, but one has to consider all of the factors. The release of methane from various sources is due to the warming from carbon dioxide. Second it has a much shorter period of existence in the atmosphere. It will naturally combine with oxygen as time goes by. If we did not have the problem of warming from carbon dioxide being added we would not have to worry about the additional warming from the release of methane.

Ironically if it was possible to harvest the methane from the sea bottom to use as a fuel burning that, though it would add more carbon dioxide to the atmosphere, might be less destructive than letting it rise to the surface from warming of the oceans. Accch! What mess we have put ourselves into.

 

[Valjean]

Yes, methane is a problem too, but it is secondary. Molecule for molecule it is a much stronger greenhouse gas, but one has to consider all of the factors. The release of methane from various sources is due to the warming from carbon dioxide. Second it has a much shorter period of existence in the atmosphere. It will naturally combine with oxygen as time goes by. If we did not have the problem of warming from carbon dioxide being added we would not have to worry about the additional warming from the release of methane.

Ironically if it was possible to harvest the methane from the sea bottom to use as a fuel burning that, though it would add more carbon dioxide to the atmosphere, might be less destructive than letting it rise to the surface from warming of the oceans. Accch! What mess we have put ourselves into.

Yes, and a small match can start a forest fire. Once started it spreads all on its own.

Cutting our carbon footprint may be more like withdrawing the match, but it won't have much effect once the fire's started.

The only time, historically, that human activity removed enough carbon from the atmosphere to actually cause a noticible global cooling was due to reforestation of large agricultural areas.
The most obvious ways to reclaim large areas of agricultural land is either depopulation or switching to a diet lower in meat.

 

[Revoltingest]

Yes, and a small match can start a forest fire. Once started it spreads all on its own.

Cutting our carbon footprint may be more like withdrawing the match, but it won't have much effect once the fire's started.

The only time, historically, that human activity removed enough carbon from the atmosphere to actually cause a noticible global cooling was due to reforestation of large agricultural areas.
The most obvious ways to reclaim large areas of agricultural land is either depopulation or switching to a diet lower in meat.

Give bacon?
Never!
Depopulation is best.
But there are other mitigating actions....
Which Trees Best Offset the Effects of Global Warming?
I'm planting many catalpas because they're fast growing & hardy.
They survive even my black thumb.

 

[james dixon]

Is there any way of stopping these processes, or have we reached a tipping point, where, like a kindled fire, the process will continue and grow, even if all of us were swept up to Mars tomorrow?

Personally, I don’t believe human activity is causing climate change. I also believe the climate is changing and there is nothing the human race can do to prevent it.

Last but not least, I believe we have the time needed to transition away from fossil fuels to alternative; if we begin this transition now.

China and Israel sees the writing on the wall now and are taking the needed actions to make a smooth transition away from oil and to alternatives

China plans ban on petrol and diesel cars

China plans ban on petrol and diesel cars

China looks at ending sales of gasoline cars

China looks at ending sales of gasoline cars

China to ban all petrol and diesel cars

China to ban all petrol and diesel cars

China to plow $361 billion into renewable fuel by 2020 | Reuters

China to plow $361 billion into renewable fuel by 2020 | Reuters

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China Aims to Spend at Least $360 Billion on Renewable Energy by 2020

China intends to spend more than $360 billion through 2020 on renewable power sources like solar and wind, the government’s energy agency said on Thursday.

The country’s National Energy Administration laid out a plan to dominate one of the world’s fastest-growing industries, just at a time when the United States is set to take the opposite tack as Donald J. Trump, a climate-change doubter, prepares to assume the presidency.

The agency said in a statement that China would create more than 13 million jobs in the renewable energy sector by 2020, curb the growth of greenhouse gasses that contribute to global warming and reduce the amount of soot that in recent days has blanketed Beijing and other Chinese cities in a noxious cloud of smog.

China surpassed the United States a decade ago as the world’s biggest emitter of greenhouse gasses, and now discharges about twice as much. For years, its oil and coal industries prospered under powerful political patrons and the growth-above-anything mantra of the ruling Communist Party.

China Aims to Spend at Least $360 Billion on Renewable Energy by 2020

2017 China Electric Car Sales Blow World Out Of The Water — BAIC EC-Series Is A Superstar

The rise and rise of the Chinese plug-in electric vehicle (PEV) market is unstoppable, with yet another record performance in December. A total of 102,000 new passenger PEVs were registered last month, up 130% year over year. Yes, that was just December, and it pulled the year-to-date count to over 600,000 units, up 71% compared to 2016.

As consequence of this rapid growth, in December, the PEV share hit a record 3.3% market share of the entire Chinese auto market, while the entire 2017 PEV market share ended at 2.1%. That’s firmly ahead of last year’s score (1.5%) and above the USA (1.2%) and Europe (~1.9%).

The Chinese PEV market represented roughly half of the 1.2 million plug-ins sold worldwide in 2017, while Chinese carmakers made 47% of all PEVs sold last year.

2017 China Electric Car Sales Blow World Out Of The Water — BAIC EC-Series Is A Superstar | CleanTechnica

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Israel getting off of oil
“Three years ago, 50% of our electric consumption was comprised of coal,” Luvshis said. By 2017, the country had reduced this number to 25% of total consumption. Luvshis added that the country hopes to reduce coal consumption by half again in 2022 and to phase it out entirely by 2026.

The country is also betting big on transportation by abandoning the import of gasoline and diesel-powered automobiles by 2030, allowing only electric, hydrogen, and compressed natural gas vehicles. “We are actively transferring manufacturing and power generation plants to natural gas from fuel oil, but transportation is the sector showing the largest improvement through the next decade,” Luvshis said.
https://tinyurl.com/yagbappa

***If trump is going to declare a national emergency; then this is the reason to do it***​

Any one agree/disagree-?

 

[wellwisher]

There are way more fossil fuels than previously thought. The reason is not all this " fossil" fuel was made from fossils. Rather most of it was made by the early earth before we had life. In the 1950's, experiments were preformed to simulate the conditions of the early earth, to see if simple chemicals and an electric spark; lightning, could form the precursor molecule needed to start life on earth; Millar-Urey Experiments. The answer was yes. This led to many parallel experiments.

There also had been similar electric discharge experiments related to the origin of life contemporaneous with Miller–Urey. An article in The New York Times (March 8, 1953:E9), titled "Looking Back Two Billion Years" describes the work of Wollman (William) M. MacNevin at The Ohio State University, before the Miller Science paper was published in May 1953. MacNevin was passing 100,000 volt sparks through methane and water vapor and produced "resinous solids" that were "too complex for analysis."

The early earth was more than likely making not only precursors of life, but also resinous solids from which vast stores of petrol chemicals would eventually appear. There depletion of fossil fuels may be true, but these secondary vast reserves are not fossil fuel, but earth fuel.

The doom and gloom of depleted fossil fuel is designed to keep the prices high based on scarcity. Science also found millions of tons of diamonds below the crust, which could drop the price of diamond jewelry. But free market propaganda still sells the "diamond are rare", angle, to keep prices high.

I believe we owe it to the poor nations to use the easy and cheap earth fuel to give then a jump start. The new technology is too expensive for poor developing countries. However, we also need to keep working on renewable and alternate fuels. If solar, for example, ever become competitive in price, to carbon fuels, without subsidies, most people will switch to save money. The goal should be advancing technology to compete, snd not an artificial government scam, by the leadership, so leaders can shake down donations from deep pockets.

 

[shmogie]

New estimates of worldwide crude oil reserves total 1.651 trillion bbl
(1,651,000,000,000)
https://tinyurl.com/ycvg5odz

In 2010, global crude oil demand was 86.4 million barrels per day.
86,400,000,000x365=315360000000000000
Daily global crude oil demand 2006-2018 | Statistic


1,651,000,000,000/315360000000000000=19 years left


My math might be off but it looks like, at current rate of consumption all the known oil reserves will be used up in 19 years.

If the numbers are correct, we need to act now before it is too late !!
Any suggestions?

Well, in the early 70´s we were told by the experts that the world would run completely out of oil in 20 years, ah, it
didn´t happen.
History is replete with great experts, being dead wrong. I am not too worried, anymore than I am worried about an asteroid hitting the earth, which the experts tell us is inevitable
https://tinyurl.com/ycvg5odz

In 2010, global crude oil demand was 86.4 million barrels per day.
86,400,000,000x365=315360000000000000
Daily global crude oil demand 2006-2018 | Statistic


1,651,000,000,000/315360000000000000=19 years left


My math might be off but it looks like, at current rate of consumption all the known oil reserves will be used up in 19 years.

If the numbers are correct, we need to act now before it is too late !!
Any suggestions?[/QUOTE]

happen.

 

[shmogie]

Personally, I don’t believe human activity is causing climate change. I also believe the climate is changing and there is nothing the human race can do to prevent it.

Last but not least, I believe we have the time needed to transition away from fossil fuels to alternative; if we begin this transition now.

China and Israel sees the writing on the wall now and are taking the needed actions to make a smooth transition away from oil and to alternatives

China plans ban on petrol and diesel cars

China plans ban on petrol and diesel cars

China looks at ending sales of gasoline cars

China looks at ending sales of gasoline cars

China to ban all petrol and diesel cars

China to ban all petrol and diesel cars

China to plow $361 billion into renewable fuel by 2020 | Reuters

China to plow $361 billion into renewable fuel by 2020 | Reuters

,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

China Aims to Spend at Least $360 Billion on Renewable Energy by 2020

China intends to spend more than $360 billion through 2020 on renewable power sources like solar and wind, the government’s energy agency said on Thursday.

The country’s National Energy Administration laid out a plan to dominate one of the world’s fastest-growing industries, just at a time when the United States is set to take the opposite tack as Donald J. Trump, a climate-change doubter, prepares to assume the presidency.

The agency said in a statement that China would create more than 13 million jobs in the renewable energy sector by 2020, curb the growth of greenhouse gasses that contribute to global warming and reduce the amount of soot that in recent days has blanketed Beijing and other Chinese cities in a noxious cloud of smog.

China surpassed the United States a decade ago as the world’s biggest emitter of greenhouse gasses, and now discharges about twice as much. For years, its oil and coal industries prospered under powerful political patrons and the growth-above-anything mantra of the ruling Communist Party.

China Aims to Spend at Least $360 Billion on Renewable Energy by 2020

2017 China Electric Car Sales Blow World Out Of The Water — BAIC EC-Series Is A Superstar

The rise and rise of the Chinese plug-in electric vehicle (PEV) market is unstoppable, with yet another record performance in December. A total of 102,000 new passenger PEVs were registered last month, up 130% year over year. Yes, that was just December, and it pulled the year-to-date count to over 600,000 units, up 71% compared to 2016.

As consequence of this rapid growth, in December, the PEV share hit a record 3.3% market share of the entire Chinese auto market, while the entire 2017 PEV market share ended at 2.1%. That’s firmly ahead of last year’s score (1.5%) and above the USA (1.2%) and Europe (~1.9%).

The Chinese PEV market represented roughly half of the 1.2 million plug-ins sold worldwide in 2017, while Chinese carmakers made 47% of all PEVs sold last year.

2017 China Electric Car Sales Blow World Out Of The Water — BAIC EC-Series Is A Superstar | CleanTechnica

,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Israel getting off of oil
“Three years ago, 50% of our electric consumption was comprised of coal,” Luvshis said. By 2017, the country had reduced this number to 25% of total consumption. Luvshis added that the country hopes to reduce coal consumption by half again in 2022 and to phase it out entirely by 2026.

The country is also betting big on transportation by abandoning the import of gasoline and diesel-powered automobiles by 2030, allowing only electric, hydrogen, and compressed natural gas vehicles. “We are actively transferring manufacturing and power generation plants to natural gas from fuel oil, but transportation is the sector showing the largest improvement through the next decade,” Luvshis said.
https://tinyurl.com/yagbappa

***If trump is going to declare a national emergency; then this is the reason to do it***​

Any one agree/disagree-?

Well, there are 35 national emergencies in place by other presidents, not one on this issue.

I have to smile at your China stats, since they and India are the biggest polluters on the face of the earth. I don´t think their electric cars are going to change this