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Featured Without God there can be no Lasting Peace

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by TransmutingSoul, Apr 6, 2022.

  1. TransmutingSoul

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    That is what I believe.

    But is it more than a just a belief, is it the chance of fulfillment that all Faiths have been waiting for?

    Is that not the quandary faced in every age, is that not a lesson that history has taught us, that God has been found in many Names and in many ways?

    For me to be true to that belief, that there is no Peace without God, my role first and foremost, in my daily life, is to be an example of what that lasting peace entails.

    Another major part of that example is to make mention of that possibility, only to those that desire to talk upon that subject. That is where an individual's responsibly with God ceases.

    So this OP is focused on this passage, that I see has come from God, it was given to us in the mid to late 1800's.

    "....The well-being of mankind, its peace and security, are unattainable unless and until its unity is firmly established. This unity can never be achieved so long as the counsels which the Pen of the Most High hath revealed are suffered to pass unheeded...."

    It is offered in that same Tablet, that God has never left us to ourselves, that we have always had the chance to find that peace and security in the wisdom given by God.

    It has also been offered that in previous ages, persons known as Noah, Abraham, Moses, Krishna, Zoroaster, Buddha, Jesus, Muhammad (to name but a few) have all given us that chance at peace, given from God. They have all offered, each in turn, that it would be in the future when all humanity would be given the chance once again. Then the Bab came and offered that that day had come, that He was the Gate to that Day of God. Then Baha'u'llah offered that the Message He had, was that promised 'Day of God'.

    "...The Pen of the Ancient King hath never ceased to remember the loved ones of God. At one time, rivers of mercy have streamed from His Pen, at another, through its movement, God’s perspicuous Book hath been revealed. He is the One to Whom none can compare, Whose utterance mortal man can never rival. He it is Who from everlasting hath been established upon the seat of ascendancy and might, He from Whose lips have gone out counsels that can satisfy the needs of the whole of mankind, and admonitions that can profit them...."

    I see that is the Truth, that we cannot and will not find peace without embracing what God has said we need to do in this age.

    What a quandary life offers.

    Regards Tony
     
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  2. Rival

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    It often seems that with God there can't be any lasting peace, either.
     
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    Without God there can be no Lasting Peace

    Fixed the title for you.

    We have two nature's we must manage. And perfection can and should always remain just out of reach. Just like a calculus derivative often approaches infinity (perfection), but it always remains just out of reach. Never touching. Never merging.
     
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    I found peace in my life after I disavowed my faith in the Christian God. I never felt peace during the 30 years I was a Christian, and I certainly didn't feel peace all the years I was being abused while growing up. And for the record, I agree with Rival.
     
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    Siddhattha Gotama was given nothing from God and offered nothing from God. Aside from that old chestnut, lasting peace (presuming you mean global) has never happened and never will. Whether your God exists or not is irrelevant to that.
     
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    But we should always remember not to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Christianity has done some good.

    But I find that Christianity often talks about surrendering or relinquishing control at the wrong times. Instead of ways to empower and soothe.
     
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    For some, there is peace with God. For some, there is peace without Her.

    The Buddha's message of peace had nothing to do with any kind of Abrahamic God.
     
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    Stole my thunder.
     
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    Well, we agree partly. First I'd like to say that I value critical thinking very highly. I certainly make many mistakes in my critical thinking, but I'm striving to me better at it. So I find competing religions don't hold up well to logical, critical analysis.

    But with that said, I do agree that humans have to find unity. We have to call out all divisive messages and find where we can agree.
     
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    I see we can change and make great change in our lives.

    I know many have, thus it is most likely just a desire for change that is needed.

    It is not a coincidence that the world is heading towards events that will change our desire for war into a desire for peace.

    I see God has already shown us how this will happen, it has been given in great detail, the issue is, many are yet to read what was offered.

    Regards Tony
     
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    Yep. Things go the way things go, weither you think alternatively or not.
     
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    I personally see It is the peaceful aspect of the Buddhist teachings that will help build a lasting peace, a unity in our diversity. That is a vision given to me in writings of my faith.

    In that respect the Buddhist teachings have just as much to do with all the peaceful teachings that have been given by the Abrahamic line of Prophets/ Messengers.

    Regards Tony
     
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    A statement of faith.

    The ideal goal.
    Maybe not the ideal goal for everyone.

    I'm generally at peace. Not always, but enough.
    Someone told me once that mankind cannot stand peace for long.
    If peace goes on for too long, man will find a way to start some trouble.

    Occasionally, I thrive in chaos. The constant challenge of the world against you.
    Sure, it gets you down sometimes but if you can master yourself, you can master the chaos.

    Does man really want "lasting" peace? Or is it just something we are told we ought to want?
     
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    It appears that you have faced a Life that was not of God, but dominated by people who were not practicing the Love given of God.

    My wife had the same issues, yet she did not blame God, so I see her heart remained open to the peace that is of God and helped me find that peace.

    Regards Tony
     
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    But the peaceful teachings of Buddha have nothing to do with the Abrahamic God. So Abrahamics may agree with some Buddhist principles, but the Buddha would never have been caught dead saying "there is no peace without God."
     
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    Unity = Death.

    Unity is homeostasis, anything that is not changing is homeostatic, anything not changing is dead.

    Any system without some flux, cannot operate.
     
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    Yes I see it can only be a statement of faith. I am seeing truth is naught but relative. We are not in a state of being where we have absolute truth.

    We are in a Matrix, so can the child developing in the matrix have absolute knowledge of a reality they are yet to be born into!

    Nit everyone will want peace, that is how this world works, it is founded on the twin pillars of reward and punishment, it is a world of opposites given rise to opportunity of choices.

    Chaos, I see will always be an essential part of peace. Truth is never found without the clash of differing opinions.

    Regards Tony
     
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    I don't think unity implies static.
     
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    I do. Something without difference, united. Is static. Unchanging.
     
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    It has?
     
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