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With regard to the Supreme Court ...

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by Jayhawker Soule, Oct 3, 2022.

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  1. I support term limits.

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  2. I oppose term limits.

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  3. I neither support nor oppose term limits.

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  1. Jayhawker Soule

    Jayhawker Soule <yawn> ignore </yawn>
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  2. Evangelicalhumanist

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    Nothing in the world stays the same forever. That includes the talents, capabilities and mental acuity of judges and justices. A brilliant jurist can suffer dementia as easily as a talented carpenter. When you can no longer do the job, you should not longer be paid to do the job.
     
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    If it isn't broken we shouldn't mess with it. We have to wait for change or effect change through the congress. Another option is to use a constitutional convention, although that scares me.

    If for some reason we completely reformat the government and voting system then that is the time to also make changes to the way the supreme court functions, but I am not in favor of changing how it works simply because we don't like its latest results.
     
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    But that has nothing to do with term limits, the subject of the poll.
     
  5. Evangelicalhumanist

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    You are quite correct -- I've had a couple of brews, and I sort of misinterpreted the question, making my argument worthless. So I'll try again.

    I do not like the idea of "lifetime appointments," unless there is an acknowledged and workable mechanism to remove the incumbent with sufficient reason.

    I hope that's a better answer.
     
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    I'd like to see a limit of, say, 15 years on Supreme Court appointees, and a similar limit on lower court appointees. There are already limits on other 'independent agency' appointees.

    I also support a limit of two 6-year terms for Senators, and five 2-year terms for representatives. And keep the two-term limit on presidents.
     
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    Good point. We should definately mess with it.
     
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    Unless 'We the People' start asking...and frankly, demanding...that Congress pass such Amendments, there is zero chance that Congress will take any action. I'm against a new Constitutional Convention, too.

    My preference for term limits and against gerrymandering is longstanding, not based on the latest results.
     
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    I think you really wish to make changes of a constitutional nature you must be prepared to construct on a computer dynamic simulations modeling how the changes will affect the federal process. Otherwise you're just going to be listening to donkey versus elephant all day long.

    You'll need one or more Applied Mathematics departments involved, some lawyers and federal functionaries to describe adequately the rules by which the government operates. You'll need several computer scientists and ideally some video game architects. You'll need artists. Finally you'll need this to function somewhat like a game that lets you destroy the US government using various scenarios, and its got to reflect real life. You can use some AI and train it using past operations, votes and other processes that Congress has performed. After enough testing, you can then use it to find out what changes would make Congress more stable. The main thing is to guarantee it is statistically fair and more stable than what we have.

    If you're not willing to do that then you're just shooting arrows into the dark.
     
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    has there been a lot of experience doing these kinds of simulations? Have there been competing groups conducting such studies?

    It might be interesting, even informative. I would not be inclined to make policy decisions solely based on the results of such studies.
     
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    Boooooooo. Booo I say.

    When people say this, they often mean 'If it's limping along and not completely collapsing under its own weight, don't breathe on it.'

    Booooo.
     
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    Words like 'guarantee' are frankly delusional in relation to constitutional change.
    I can guarantee the existing version isn't perfect, and I can guarantee the new version also won't be. I'm not sure that helps.

    Computer simulations are as good as the assumptions and information available to be fed into them, and generally are pretty bad initially, then refined over time. Whereas a constitutional change is a bespoke process with unique impact.
     
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    Imposition of term limits treats justices like we do elected politicians, which is precisely what judges are not supposed to be. Someone might reply that the SCOTUS justices are already partisan players, and I'd agree to that to some extent. But I also don't see how reinforcing that paradigm addresses the issue. The more difficult, but more effective, remedy is for both sides of our partisan divide to start appointing judges on their judicial merits rather than on their partisan bona fides.
     
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    I am for term limits across the board.
     
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    We'd be living like the Amish if that guided us.
     
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    I voted for term limits.
    But it's something I'll give more thought to.
     
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    There were nothing wrong with wall phones(they weren't broken) but changing to a smart phone was a good change. Sometimes dinosaurs' need to go.
     
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  18. fantome profane

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    Here is a thought. Have term limits, but allow them to be reappointed. They can stay on the court but they need to go through the same nomination and confirmation process. That might give a good balance between stability and accountability.

    Just a thought.
     
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    And for the record, I voted term limits.
    The president has them and in my opinion any voted in position should have them from city level, county level and on up the ladder.
     
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    Sounds good to me.
     
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