With 4100 Americans dead in one day, why did God think viruses were a good idea?

[ecco]

With all the evidence used to assert that the Earth was "created with humans in mind," one could just as easily argue (with the same caliber of evidence, no doubt) that the world was created with viruses in mind. Or trees, or plankton, or slugs, or earthworms, or flies, or mosquitos. You'd probably just have to draw the line at anything extinct, I suppose.

Roaches! Roaches have had more years on earth than just about anything bigger than a dime.

 

[ecco]

"I form light and create darkness, I make well-being and create calamity, I am the Lord, who does all these things." Isaiah 45:7

See there, 4000 years ago, God admitted he killed and would continue to kill His creations.

 

[Suave]

See there, 4000 years ago, God admitted he killed and would continue to kill His creations.

Well, actually, I suspect the book of Isiah was written approximately 2,760 years ago.

 

[stvdv]

And I don't see what the virus's origin in China has to do with anything.

Bad hygiene in the wet markets ... done by man, not by God

 

[Suave]

Bad hygiene in the wet markets ... done by man, not by God

Leviticus 11:13-19

“‘These are the birds you are to regard as unclean and not eat because they are unclean: the eagle,the vulture, the black vulture, the red kite, any kind of black kite, any kind of raven, the horned owl, the screech owl, the gull, any kind of hawk, the little owl, the cormorant, the great owl, the white owl, the desert owl, the osprey, the stork, any kind of heron, the hoopoe and the bat."

 

[stvdv]

Leviticus 11:13-19

“‘These are the birds you are to regard as unclean and not eat because they are unclean: the eagle,the vulture, the black vulture, the red kite, any kind of black kite, any kind of raven, the horned owl, the screech owl, the gull, any kind of hawk, the little owl, the cormorant, the great owl, the white owl, the desert owl, the osprey, the stork, any kind of heron, the hoopoe and the bat."

Fantastic, you provided proof here. I love it. God indeed gave a clear warning to beware of the "bat" as in being unclean. I did not know that. Thanks.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Its very important to be precise. I asked because you are not being so.

When you ask this kind of question about something so generally, it is essential to consider all angles. Have you considered if humans can survive with out viruses whatsoever when you ask this kind of question?

You said viruses kill humans. Well, even Carbohydrates kill humans. Sugar kills humans. Also, it has been shown that 37% of all deaths due to covid have been diabetic cases. Or at least in some countries it is so. Thus, what about carbohydrates and sugar? Can humanity survive without them? Its just one simple matter to consider. Since you have not considered anything, you are unable to be specific about even your own question.

Your question is valid, if you take the whole of theodicy into question and when someone asks a question based on your own, you should ponder over it and respond. Then its a discussion.

I am in control of the carbs and sugar that enter my body. I am not, especially in the case of a new virus, in any such control. In fact, in that situation, I'm not even remotely aware that I'm in danger.

This thread was started by someone concerned with the theodicies surrounding the God that I grew up understanind -- Omnipotent, Omniscient and Omnibenevolent. If that is not your understanding or your god, fine.

 

[firedragon]

Wanna swap drug needles? Afterall, HIV/AIDs don't kill. It's those other diseases causing complications that kill.

Very good.

 

[firedragon]

One can know by observing actions. That's common knowledge.

Ah the usual common knowledge argument covering up the anecdotal fallacy.

Nice.

 

[firedragon]

I am in control of the carbs and sugar that enter my body. I am not, especially in the case of a new virus, in any such control. In fact, in that situation, I'm not even remotely aware that I'm in danger.

This thread was started by someone concerned with the theodicies surrounding the God that I grew up understanind -- Omnipotent, Omniscient and Omnibenevolent. If that is not your understanding or your god, fine.

Oh not at all. See, this is not about you. This is about human beings. Maybe you are in control of your carbs, but most human beings cannot afford anything other than carbs. Its just an example.

Analysis based on your own self?

 

[stvdv]

I thought maybe some of the more religious members could give me some insight into the presumed benefit that we inherit from this one part of God's creation...

I can shed some light on this

Human is not the center of the Universe, although they love to think that way
Put it differently "the world does not revolve around humans alone"
Try to see it from the POV of the viruses ... they live too

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Leviticus 11:13-19

“‘These are the birds you are to regard as unclean and not eat because they are unclean: the eagle,the vulture, the black vulture, the red kite, any kind of black kite, any kind of raven, the horned owl, the screech owl, the gull, any kind of hawk, the little owl, the cormorant, the great owl, the white owl, the desert owl, the osprey, the stork, any kind of heron, the hoopoe and the bat."

Also tells us to avoid pork, shrimp, amd those "cud chewing" rabbits.

 

[Suave]

Also tells us to avoid pork, shrimp, amd those "cud chewing" rabbits.

Those commands apply just to the ancient nomadic tribes of Israel.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Those commands apply just to the ancient nomadic tribes of Israel.

It's still a part of the larger whole of the restrictions you listed.

 

[Suave]

It's still a part of the larger whole of the restrictions you listed.

Fine then, go ahead and eat bat soup if you'd like. As for me on the other hand, I will avoid the consumption of animal flesh.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I can shed some light on this

Human is not the center of the Universe, although they love to think that way
Put it differently "the world does not revolve around humans alone"
Try to see it from the POV of the viruses ... they live too

In your worldview, perhaps. The Christian worldview holds that everything is created for humans to subdue and to have "dominion" over. Says so right there in Genesis 1:28: "And God blessed them. And God said to them, 'Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it, and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over every living thing that moves on the earth.'"

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Oh not at all. See, this is not about you. This is about human beings. Maybe you are in control of your carbs, but most human beings cannot afford anything other than carbs. Its just an example.

Analysis based on your own self?

Those who can barely afford carbs certainly can't afford so much of them as to be poisonous. Carbs are not evil per se, and are an integral part of the human diet we evolved to consume. In fact, the healthiest human diet we know of today is the Mediterranean diet, consisting of vegetables, fruits, herbs, nuts, beans and whole grains. Meals are built around these plant-based foods -- which are mostly carbs and sugars. Moderate amounts of dairy, poultry and eggs are also central to the Diet, as is seafood. In contrast, red meat is eaten only occasionally.

 

[stvdv]

In your worldview, perhaps. The Christian worldview holds that everything is created for humans to subdue and to have "dominion" over. Says so right there in Genesis 1:28: "And God blessed them. And God said to them, 'Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it, and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over every living thing that moves on the earth.'"

Yes, I agree. That verse of Genesis is a master peace to enhance EGO in believers, who do not use "Common Sense before Divine Sense"

But when I take into account the rest of the Bible, then I easily come to the conclusion that this interpretation can't be true for me

 

[ecco]

“‘These are the birds you are to regard as unclean and not eat because they are unclean: the eagle,the vulture, the black vulture, the red kite, any kind of black kite, any kind of raven, the horned owl, the screech owl, the gull, any kind of hawk, the little owl, the cormorant, the great owl, the white owl, the desert owl, the osprey, the stork, any kind of heron, the hoopoe and the bat."

And no BBQ pork ribs, bacon, lobster, or raw oysters. Bummer.

 

[ecco]

Bad hygiene in the wet markets ... done by man, not by God

I think it would be really good if people would make a list of what is God's doing and what is man's/nature's doing.

For example, when there is a crash and three people die they say it is some person's fault. If one person survives the same crash, that was God looking out for them.

Players scoring a touchdown raise their hands to thank God. When they drop the pass it's, well, bad luck or lack of skill.