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Featured Wiping out Christianity and all other condemning religions

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by The Transcended Omniverse, Dec 9, 2016.

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  1. The Transcended Omniverse

    The Transcended Omniverse Well-Known Member

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    I mentioned before that I am completely undecided when it comes to any religious view. I am open to scientific materialism and other views of God, the afterlife, and the paranormal. I wish I wasn't though because that means I am open to the possibility of Christianity.

    Now I am fine with people having their own worldviews, but when that said worldview imposes upon me and condemns my way of life as sinful, that is when you have gone too far. I am a hedonist and, according to Christianity and many other religions, I would be sent to hell since it is a selfish way of living. I am not living in obedience to any God and that would condemn me to hell.

    Worldviews, in my honest opinion, should only stay within the boundaries of the individual. Once these worldviews carry on over to the lives of other people and starts condemning them, that is when it has gone too far. This can drive open minded people like me and even atheists and scientific materialists to violence.

    It is not just religious people who start wars and violence, other secular people can also be driven to wars and violence upon these condemning religious people as well. So it would be best, in my honest opinion, if these types of condemning religions were wiped out and never existed. It is disrespect towards kind hedonists such as me and many other people as well.

    What's even worse is that Christianity is being supported and upheld by many intellectual people and claimed evidence of Jesus' resurrection is being presented.

    No, they do not support the ideals of freedom; they support this whole idea that hedonists such as myself and other people who are kind non-Christians are doomed to hell and that it is morally righteous for that to happen since the Christian God makes the rules and that his rules and morals are right. These people support moral atrocity. So in supporting and upholding Christianity, you go and support and uphold this moral atrocity.

    I brought up this important quote and my reply to it here since it summarizes the very reason why I detest Christianity so much and the acts of those who support and uphold it. It should of never existed and needs to be wiped out.
     
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  2. Musing Bassist

    Musing Bassist Mihi Quaestio Factus Sum

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    So in effect, you're saying that no one is allowed to have a worldview unless that wordview includes approval of your lifestyle choices?

    So ensure that I not be exposed to any idea or wordview which I dislike, otherwise I just might be driven to violence.

    Are you even listening to yourself?
     
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  3. The Transcended Omniverse

    The Transcended Omniverse Well-Known Member

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    That's not what I am saying.
     
  4. fantome profane

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    Then do you want to reconsider the title to this thread?
     
  5. ScottySatan

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    I don't think you have as much freedom to choose a religion as that. You either believe in the god or you don't.
     
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  6. The Transcended Omniverse

    The Transcended Omniverse Well-Known Member

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    There is nothing wrong with the title.
     
  7. Unveiled Artist

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    I know I mentioned this. I want to ask something, though.

    Separate People from Christianity for a minute.

    1. Do you think it would be easier (or more productive) if we consider what actions the people are doing to others and addressing those actions?

    For example, if someone murdered someone and they received instructions from a book to do so, who will the judge and jury convict? The book or the person? Who will go to jail? Who should receive the punishment for the acts committed?​

    Separate people from Christianity for a minute. Who/what should get the consequence people or god (? ​

    If certain worldviews are making people commit crimes, I'd say the people are very impressionable and coerced by something that cannot do anything in and of itself.

    Would it be logical to address the morals of the people and more so how they use those morals for the bad?​

    For example, when I practiced Catholicism, I was part of the world view you are speaking of. Yet, in my case, Catholicism-the religion-changed me and helped me commit actions for the good. So it's not the religion. If it were, it wouldn't make some people do good things and other people do bad things.

    2. Do you believe god exists?

    If you don't, then how can he send you to hell? (Regardless of what people say; they are not god)

    If you do, why do you believe in the christian god? There are other gods that don't send people to hell for silly things like disbelief. ​

    I find religions that work best are those that work as groups or community. It's not the religion that condemns people, it's the community of say politicians that do. In that respect, instead of individualizing religions (which would mean breaking up entire families), maybe more productive is to educate them. Hopefully, hopefully, by education and some potty training they'd see how their religion affects them and others negatively.

    I think many people are blind to what they are actually doing in the name of their faith not because of the faith itself.

    People do things in the name of their faith; the faith does nothing.

    How would you optimistically and productively help religious see the errors of their actions? (Wiping out religions isn't curing the cause it's it's just taking out the influence.)​

    That would mean when I was Catholic, you'd just wipe out my religion even though I did no harm to anyone?

    Jesus resurrection has nothing to do with people and violence. It doesn't matter if Jesus was resurrected. If someone murdered someone else in the name of their religion, we address the person and their actions not Jesus. He died over 2,000 years ago. We don't press charges on the bible.
     
  8. Sunstone

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    There is a difference between criticism and condemnation. That difference seems in part to lie in the fact that criticism recognizes the worth of the subject of criticism, while condemnation finds no worth at all in its subject.

    Now, it seems to me that most of the major religions offer some sort of criticism of humanity or of the human condition, but that most do not go so far as to condemn humanity. However, I think there are at least strains of both Christianity and Islam that do, indeed, condemn humanity, or at least come very close to doing so.

    I am not, however, in favor of abolishing those strains. I would rather advocate removing any and all "artificial" support they have (such as the support of governments), and then allowing them to compete in a free marketplace of ideas for people's allegiance. I have a degree of faith in people that, under such circumstances, those religious strains will wither.
     
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  9. Musing Bassist

    Musing Bassist Mihi Quaestio Factus Sum

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    So you don't want to see the extermination of Christianity?

    You just think Christians (Jews and Muslims too) should not be allowed to speak publicly about their beliefs if it runs the risk of hurting your feelings.
     
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  10. The Transcended Omniverse

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    That's not what I am saying either.
     
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    Going by the title, I don't know about wiping out Christianity, but yea, I would personally like to see all condemning religions wiped out for the good of the world.
     
  12. Musing Bassist

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    Then you may want to retract your original post, as it is pretty unambiguous.

    I'll paraphrase.

    "Christianity posits a moral view of the world contrary to how I choose to live my life. I dislike this. I dislike particularly the notion of a final judgement as it hurts my feelings. I feel that hurting my feelings is equivalent to ideological imposition and thus Christians (and adherents of other religions with similar doctrines) shouldn't have the right to hold such views. Or at the very least, should not be permitted to publicise them otherwise I, along with atheists and materialists may feel justified in being driven to violence. So it's best for the world if those I dislike just stop existing."

    Am I missing anything?
     
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  13. The Transcended Omniverse

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    That's not what I am saying either.
     
  14. fantome profane

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    Have you noticed that no one seems to understand what you are saying?
     
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    Being offended is one of the worst arguments for banning religions(or anything else). There seems to be no end to things which offends you either. Some time ago you were offended by atheists because you wanted to believe in a pleasurable afterlife and now you're offended by religions because you don't want to believe in a hell of torture. What will you be offended by next?
     
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    Your greatest sin isn't your hedonistic lifestyle, it's your pathetic rationalization of intolerance of others. Whose religion drives the Atheist North Korean leader to violence and oppression unmatched by any other country today? Whose religion justifies Atheist Mao Zedong murdering tens of millions of his countrymen in China's Communist revolution?

    The problem with Christianity is that it's the opposite of what you accuse it of. You and your follow Atheists (Liberals, Jews, etc.) have exploited Christian tolerance to build an America that is the most oppressive it has ever been (outside of slavery).
     
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    Well too bad, you have no rights in regards to the opinions of others.

    That is a worldview; maybe you should follow your own advice and/or learn the definition of hypocrisy.

    You should understand that ideas of the nature of "X idea which I don't like should be wiped out" also, historically, lead to violence.
     
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    Then send Yahweh (Baal/Allah) to the Lake of Fire on Judgement Day when humans get the right to condemn all immortal terrorists for committing Crimes Against Humanity.

    Jesus and God (beyond the Universe) are completely separate to the little demon aliens that call themselves gods.
     
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    Rather than us having to guess, why don't you tell us what it is you actually mean? It would make for a greater level of clarity in this discussion.
     
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    I am a Christian also a creationist so what I believe flies in the face of many scientific beliefs. I my worldview you are free to live as you want as long as you do not interfere with the way I live. Do I believe that you are condemned because of the lifestyle you are living yes but that does not mean I do not believe you have the right to live as you want. You just can't be a Christian and live the lifestyle you say you are. To be a Christian means you live your life a certain way but you don't impose this way on others outside the faith. I don't condemn anyone, they do that themselves. The ultimate judge is God and he will judge everyone in the end so fear him not others.
     
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