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Will time bring about a fall of Theocracy?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by PopeADope, Sep 10, 2017.

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  1. PopeADope

    PopeADope Habemus papam

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    I look at Theocratic nations and it is most depressing and heartbreaking! They hold their people back, brainwash them, persecute rational minded people, and live like the dark ages.

    I worry that immigration is bringing that mentality to the free enlightened world. Hopefully instead it will enlighten them. Maybe immigration will help the brainwashed people to see the light, but where I live it doesn't seem they integrate with society.

    Anyway, I'm quite ashamed sometimes of being a monotheist when I see the close mindedness, the bigotry, and the irrational thought that is promoted in the ancient texts of monotheism.

    I can't believe they used to kill people for working on the wrong day of the week. Doesn't that just seem like the most insane thing you ever heard, its holy killing someone for working on the wrong day of the week?? WTF!?!

    I would like to apologise on behalf of all monotheists for what our God has done! Yes, I still pray to this God, but I don't have to agree with him. I try to reason with him like Moses did and get him to change his mind.

    I look at the heartbreak, the destruction of cultures, the intolerance, the close-mindedness, the division, the claims of eternal misery, and all I can think is I'm deeply sorry for what my God has done to this Earth and the behavior of so many people that follow him! :(

    The ancient text is filled with poison! How can so many good people not see that? It's bad for my mental health to read it.

    I hope you understand Mr God! I know you're reading this! (Done ranting... for now) :p
     
  2. Mister Silver

    Mister Silver Faith's Nightmare

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    The only thing to break the harm of theocratic thinking is secular reasoning.
     
  3. PopeADope

    PopeADope Habemus papam

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    I'm more than warming up to that idea ...despite being very spiritual
     
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    I find there is a BIG difference in the modern-day definition of theocracy as being clergy rule or rule by clergy class.
    Whereas the theocracy (Daniel 2:44) of the Bible is: God Rule by Jesus Christ for a thousand years.

    So, there is immigration which is bringing the wrong modern-day definition of theocracy to the world.
    I think God wants us to understand that there is a BIG difference.
     
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    Mister Silver Faith's Nightmare

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    The great thing about being spiritual is that there are not the hang-ups of being religious. Religion is the problem that has caused the most strife due to its overbearing insistence on being right no matter what.
     
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    To me the ^ above ^ applies to the modern-day thinking that theocracy is: rule by clergy or by clergy class.
    Whereas the Bible's reasoning is the theocracy (God Rule) of Daniel 2:44 is that Jesus, as king of God's kingdom, will govern over Earth for a thousand years thus Jesus will usher in global Peace on Earth among people of goodwill.
     
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    Mister Silver Faith's Nightmare

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    The bible has not had much success in describing anything except primitive thoughts.
     
  8. PopeADope

    PopeADope Habemus papam

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    The Theocracy I see now a days isn't hardly existing in the Christian world. It's rampant in the Muslim world.

    Anyway, much of the Bible is nonsensical or straight up appalling. I can see how Christians once justified things like the Inquisition, crusades, and burning witches.

    I do see a big change in the God of the New Testament from that of the OT. God sometimes repented and changed his mind in Scripture. I hope he has come a long way and is more reasonable.
     
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    Considering current patterns, yes. The world as a whole is becoming more secular and universal as far as religion goes. Even in the theocratic Middle East, religious laws are loosening and becoming less copious.

    The only thing that could sway this pattern is the possibility of some sort of backlash involving some religious fascist rising into power to "restore order" or something. Otherwise, I see a good future for secularism.
     
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  10. URAVIP2ME

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    Yes, even so-called organized religion had caused strife, etc. but that does Not mean the first-century teachings of Jesus as recorded in Scripture is wrong, just that men's religious teachings outside of Jesus' teachings are wrong.
    Often TV preachers have hijacked the biblical for their own pockets or plans.

    Disengaging from religious to spiritual I find can mean Not affiliated with religion (spiritual but Not religious) and that ' new style ' simply means being spiritual inside of the person. However, that non-religious but spiritual person does preach. Preaches that we have do something to control the environment, etc. Such as: control carbon monoxide or we are doomed which really sounds like a form of Earth-Day worship instead of looking to God's kingdom government of Daniel 2:44 to be the solution to mankind's problems.
     
  11. PopeADope

    PopeADope Habemus papam

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    Could you please give me a link or explain the progress that is taking place in the nations that live like the dark ages? It isn't that I don't believe you, I'd just like to read more about it.
     
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    Not in today's Christian world because the so-called Christian world of today is Christendom, and Not the first-century teachings of Jesus. Not in first-century Christianity but in Christendom was the Inquisition, crusades, burning witches.
    Those things took place in Satanianity, being that Satan is the ' god ' of this world of badness - 2 Corinthians 4:4.

    Sure, when people repented ( such as the Ninevites ) God changed His mind.
    But God will Not change his mind about getting rid of those who bring ruin to Earth as per Revelation 11:18 B.
     
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    I find what 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 foretells is that ' they ' (powers that be) will be saying, " Peace and Security " as the precursor to the coming great tribulation of Revelation 7:14. The United Nations sees a hauntingly dangerous religious climate brewing in today's world. With backing the U.N. could be strengthened to turn on the false religious world to "restore order" or something.......
     
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    What is a primitive thought about Luke 21:11 where the Bible describes today's earthquakes as "GREAT" earthquakes.
    The Earth was violent in Noah's day according to Genesis 6:11 and Jesus' words at Matthew 24:37 likens our day to that violent time on Earth. These are Not primitive thoughts but forewarning us thoughts that there will be Peace on Earth but Not brought about by men but through Christ governing over Earth for a thousand years.
     
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    Healing theocracy is the same as extinguishing it, and sure, it will and it must happen eventually.
     
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    What's primitive is thinking anything written in the bible in any ways mirrors our current world today.
     
  17. sun rise

    sun rise "Let there be peace and love among all"
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    I agree. I'd add that something new always has the challenge that the old ways resist change with everything at their command. It could even be called Darwining survival of a cultural change supplanting the old order.
     
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    Polymath257 Think & Care
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    Hopefully, we will eventually get past the superstition that is religion. Until then, we have to deal with its evils.
     
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    Polymath257 Think & Care
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    I find that I agree with one point in this article: religion isn't going to go away soon. More is the pity.

    yes, I do see a conflict betwen science and religion. It is the conflict between skepticism and faith. Science relies on skepticism: testing every idea to make sure it works and exactly when and how well it works. Every notion is up for grabs, but to overthrow any idea requires evidence. Only those ideas that can be challenged by evidence are considered to be meaningful.

    Religion, on the other hand, deals with faith. Instead of challenging ideas and promoting skepticism, it encourages acceptance at all costs. Instead of discarding those ideas that no longer work, it attempts to shield them from criticism. Instead of attempting to eliminate errors and find new truths, it encourages stability of error and the idea of tradition for tradition's sake.

    I really do see the two endeavors as opposed in fundamental ways. No, they are NOT both attempts to understand the universe. Science does attempt this, always remaining skeptical. But religion promotes adherence to ideas simply because they are long-held. That is the worse reason to hold an idea.

    So, while I am sure that religion will not go away any time soon (superstition is just way too prevalent), I can hope it gradually weakens and people wake up and discard their 'faith' and instead adopt a more skeptical view overall. Then, maybe, we can start to work together to solve some of the problems religion ignores.
     
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