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Will the real Trinity please stand up.

Discussion in 'Christianity DIR' started by Squirt, Apr 22, 2006.

  1. Polaris

    Polaris Active Member

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    Thanks Buttercup. Even though we tend to focus on our differences for the sake of interesting discussion, the truth be known we probably agree on 90% of religious issues.
     
  2. Squirt

    Squirt Well-Known Member

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    Hi, Buttercup.

    Sorry I haven't replied sooner, but I've been out of town all week. I totally believe everything this passage says about Jesus. But I think the words "with God" are key to understanding that the Father and the Son are two separate beings, both of whom share the title of "God." The word "with" implies a relationship that cannot exist unless there are two separate entities.

    Yes, He was. But He was not His own Father.

    This is also true. The Father and the Son are virtually identical, but they are Father and Son -- not one being who takes turns playing two roles.
     
  3. Squirt

    Squirt Well-Known Member

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    We’re clearly not communicating, Victor. Yes, I believe that each of us is made of both physical matter and spirit. But, just as I am not both corporeal and incorporeal at the same time, I don’t believe that Jesus Christ is both corporeal and incorporeal at the same time. We both have an incorporeal spirit but also have physical bodies.

    And why would my intentions be otherwise? When I see Scott describe his understanding of the Trinity, it strikes me as relatively close to my own understanding of the Godhead, but when I see Buttercup describe her understanding of the Trinity, it doesn’t. In my experience, all Latter-day Saints pretty much have the same understanding of what we believe God to be and how we understand the relationship between the Father and the Son. But when I ask people who claim to believe in the Trinity (as defined in the Nicene and Athanasian Creeds), I get a whole assortment of answers.


    See, I totally disagree with you here. We will see a Father and a Son – just as Stephen did when He saw the Son of God sitting on the right hand of His Father.


    This doesn’t even come close to what Scott said. He “played the part of both”? Obviously, you aren’t getting this from the Bible. He is His own Son and His own Father, and showed us how to have a parent-child relationship with ourselves?


    It all depends. Water, for instance, is a single substance. Is that what you mean?
     
  4. Squirt

    Squirt Well-Known Member

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    Hi, guys! I've been out of town on business. I didn't just drop off the face of the earth, but the withdrawals were excruciating. I just thought I'd take a minute to mention that, while I truly love a good debate -- and this particular topic is one of my favorites -- if I ever sense that I'm on the verge of hurting someone's feelings because we disagree on these things, I will always bow out of the debate rather than do so. The Book of Mormon teaches that Satan is the father of contention and I know that it is more important to God that we love and respect one another than it is that one of us convince the other of anything. So please, please understand that if I ever overstep the boundaries, I want you to tell me.

    Love ya both,

    Squirty
     
  5. Squirt

    Squirt Well-Known Member

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    :highfive: Thank you! Yes, we absolutely do believe that Jesus Christ is God. :highfive:
     
  6. EnhancedSpirit

    EnhancedSpirit High Priestess

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    OK, I just had a thought. Instead of focusing seeing the trinity outside of ourselves, let's look at the importance of being made in God's image.

    Trinitizing Consciousness

    God is a Triune being, just as we on Earth are a triune being! We are superconscious, conscious and subconscious minds! We are a trinity as well! We are also a trinity in the sense of Mind, Body and Spirit! Just as God, Christ and the Holy Spirit are separate aspects of God and work as one consciousness, we have three separate aspects of consciousness, and our three minds need to work as one integrated mind! The three minds function as one mind once mastered and integrated just as God, Christ and the Holy Spirit do. more . . .
     
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