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Featured Why you should stop calling Jesus YHWH

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Desert Snake, May 29, 2018.

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  1. Unveiled Artist

    Unveiled Artist Shrugs. I tried.

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    You either not reading my posts or skipping them.

    Where in the bible does it say the creator, savior, and spirit are one and the same?

    Trinitarians do not seperate creator and savior because they view the image of, like a mirror, the same as the source

    Non trinitaries divide the source and image because, by strict definition, they are not the same.

    Both views place high importance on a savior
    Both views do not misinterpret and image for its source

    What is wrong with the word trinity?

    From the bible, its there plain as day.
     
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    Unveiled Artist Shrugs. I tried.

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    Thats what people express it. The interpetations of what people say is not always the same as the triune spoke in the bible. For some reason non-trinitians are hung up over the word. Yet, god isnt defined by nature in scripture (nature meaning what the person is at its core) just its role (creator), attributes (love and justice), and his relationship to his son as father.

    Yet, christians know he is divine but then cant describe the divinity of his essense. "Its beyond us" its "greater" and its only seen by faith does not cut it.

    Not everything a person experiences need be written for it to be true.

    Trinity or triune, whichever, is the same way.
     
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    The premise has to do with language, not trinity concept. Trinity concept can be different, and the premise still is the same.

    That is what happens, when you argue out of context, ie, the context actually is the Bible, not another version, or your version, etc.
     
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    Why? How is the name Jesus related to "Jehovah Is Salvation"?
    Not true.
    It mean I Am what/that I Am, and also "Being", and also "Presence" and also "Entity" and several more meanings.
    Agreed.
    Most Christians i have met and talked with, believe not that Jesus is God (or a god), rather a Physical form that was a part of God or something of the same nature.
    It ranges between a Messiah (which i assume is similar to the Hebraic definition of messiah) and an entity that was created by god itself (or one of his angels).
     
  5. Deeje

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    We communicate with language, so we better understand it. The concept of the trinity is not found in the Bible. "God the Father" is one God. There is no "God the Son" or "God the Holy Spirit". Please find them for me in scripture.

    Funny, but I believe that you are worshipping a concept dreamed up by the devil to get people to break the First Commandment. Christendom has put the son in place of the Father as God. It will not end well, but you are free to believe it.
     
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    Like most "J" ("Y" in Hebrew) Jesus or Yeshua carries the divine name in its meaning.

    According to the Tanach, the meaning of God's name Is not "I AM" but Exodus 3:14 reads...."God said to Moses, "Ehyeh asher ehyeh (I will be what I will be)," and He said, "So shall you say to the children of Israel, 'Ehyeh (I will be) has sent me to you.'"

    "I Will Be" has a much broader meaning than "I AM". God does not have to state his existence to his own people, but telling them what he intends to "Be" for them is most informative.

    Mistranslating this expression also sent Christendom down a rabbit hole by implying that Jesus called himself "I AM" in John 8:58. He was not calling himself God by any stretch of anyone's imagination. Jesus used the expression "I am" many times without ever implying that he was God. He identified his Father as "the only true God" excluding himself. (John 17:3)

    Rather than go by what some "Christians" believe (in literally thousands of sects and denominations), it is always beneficial to go to the Bible. It is one story from Genesis to Revelation. What we lost in Eden is returned to us in the "new earth" under Messiah's Kingdom.....something God's prophets foresaw in ancient times. Isaiah's prophesies are particularly heartwarming. (Isaiah 11:1-9; Isaiah 65:17-25)

    Christians should be worshipping the same God as Abraham, Isaac and Jacob did....but he has become some kind of mysterious, three different 'bits of God', all squeezed into one head...its bizarre IMO.
     
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    i think YHWH refers to the Fullness of GOD.. The Almighty LORD.
     
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    Still can't understand the connection to salvation?
    The letter "Yod" represents a godly element, not salvation.

    In Hebrew, "אהיה" is not only future but can also be interpreted as "I Am".
    Assuming God is timeless, there is no future or past, rather only presence.
    I Understand your point, but it is only partial.
    There are many people saying "I am" :) it is quite absurd to assume they all meant "I am" in a "godly" manner :)

    No one should worship no one or nothing.
     
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    According to Strongs, Jesus' name in Hebrew is Joshua or Jehoshua = "Jehovah is salvation"

    Genesis 1:1 (NASB)

    God's name was not a statement of his being, because Israel already knew that he existed. But as an statement of his intentions, it means a great deal more. God does not preempt the actions of his human creation. He "re"acts to what they do, like he did in Eden. He 'became' something other than a Creator when humans fell to independent thinking. He became their lawgiver, judge and deliverer.
    He allowed humans much freedom to prove to themselves that doing things their way will never work out for the best.

    Not quite sure I understand what you mean here? "I AM" is not a name for the God of Jesus. Jesus never said "I AM GOD"...not once. But he said "I am the bread of life"...."I am the son of God"....."I am the way the truth and the life".....so yes, it is a common expression.

    Can't argue with that....
     
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