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Why would the NY Times editors publish an editorial blaming evangelicals for corona?

Brickjectivity

wind and rain touch not this brain
Staff member
Premium Member
Generally speaking I think most Christians are behaving sensibly about this virus, but its perfectly fair for the NY Times to complain if some don't.

I guess I'd check reuters and bbc, because I don't have a Times subscription and won't slog through brightfarts.


Here's a strange report about an African preacher who embarrassed his church with his antics:
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An evangelical preacher who claims he can cure the virus has also been the subject of disinformation.

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I am going prophetically to destroy coronavirus. I am going to China, I want to destroy coronavirus," he says in the video.

A few days later, reports appeared in blogs alleging that he had travelled to China but had been admitted to hospital after contracting the virus. The blogs refer to the pastor under a different name - Elija Emeka Chibuke.

..." From The fake coronavirus stories spreading in Africa

Aside from that I have heard some headline about Copeland and that there was a mega church in the USA which would keep going in spite of the megavirus, plus there is a very large evangelical church in Brazil that is making lots of headlines for similar reasons.

Mostly the news is sensationalist -- as usual, but some of these preacher guys are generating sensationalism with their antics.
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
And where oh where is the outcry from supposed advocates of rights like Bernie Sanders? hmmm?

New York Times Blames Evangelical Christians for Coronavirus
Yeah, a purposely twisted interpretation of a spot-on New York Times op-ed piece from BREITBART NEWS. What next from the rag, "Trump is GOD"?

Why not.

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ecco

Veteran Member
And where oh where is the outcry from supposed advocates of rights like Bernie Sanders? hmmm?

New York Times Blames Evangelical Christians for Coronavirus
Why didn't you post some of her comments?


Donald Trump rose to power with the determined assistance of a movement that denies science, bashes government and prioritized loyalty over professional expertise. In the current crisis, we are all reaping what that movement has sown.

Stewart admits: “By all accounts, President Trump’s tendency to trust his gut over the experts on issues like vaccines and climate change does not come from any deep-seated religious conviction.”

But she adds: “But he is perfectly in tune with the religious nationalists who form the core of his base.”

Why would Bernie, or any rational person, be upset by those factual comments?

Also, your Breitbart article contains the following lie:

Since the start of the coronavirus crisis, Trump has repeatedly deferred to scientists, doctors and experts in the administration — particularly Dr. Anthony Fauci and Dr. Debbie Birx, who feature in his daily press briefings.
The reality is that Fauci is a relative latecomer to the team. Trump appointed Pence way before Fauci.

The reality is that Idiot Trump spews BS like "Reopen the country on Easter Sunday". Fauci says "Mmm, not so fast". Days later Trump says "End of April".

The sheeple may listen to Trump. The rational people, if the watch the press conference at all, listen to Fauci.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
In the end the crisis in strongly secular New York New Jersey and NYC has far more to do with local mostly Democrat leaders dragging their feet that supposed evangelical ties.

I thought Donald J. Trump was the president and commander-in-chief. I thought he said this was a war. If this is a war why isn't the commander-in-chief leading? Why do you excuse your adored commander-in-chief for not leading? Is it because he said he was not responsible?
 

ecco

Veteran Member
Well, I guess I shouldn’t expect you to get it, but from the perspective of evangelical Christians, those as Kenneth Copeland and Jim Bakker or others like them are NOT evangelicals, but rather like the Bible describes them; false teachers, heretics, and wolves in sheep’s clothing.


Oh, no! Not the "They aren't real Christians" copout. Seriously?
 

It Aint Necessarily So

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Now folks, let's keep it about the issues, ie, the NYT & its article.

This one, I presume:

Trump’s response to the pandemic has been haunted by the science denialism of his ultraconservative religious allies.
By Katherine Stewart

Ms. Stewart is the author of “The Power Worshippers: Inside the Dangerous Rise of Religious Nationalism.”

March 27, 2020

Donald Trump rose to power with the determined assistance of a movement that denies science, bashes government and prioritized loyalty over professional expertise. In the current crisis, we are all reaping what that movement has sown.

At least since the 19th century, when the proslavery theologian Robert Lewis Dabney attacked the physical sciences as “theories of unbelief,” hostility to science has characterized the more extreme forms of religious nationalism in the United States. Today, the hard core of climate deniers is concentrated among people who identify as religiously conservative Republicans. And some leaders of the Christian nationalist movement, like those allied with the Cornwall Alliance for the Stewardship of Creation, which has denounced environmental science as a “Cult of the Green Dragon,” cast environmentalism as an alternative — and false — theology.

This denial of science and critical thinking among religious ultraconservatives now haunts the American response to the coronavirus crisis. On March 15, Guillermo Maldonado, who calls himself an “apostle” and hosted Mr. Trump earlier this year at a campaign event at his Miami megachurch, urged his congregants to show up for worship services in person. “Do you believe God would bring his people to his house to be contagious with the virus? Of course not,” he said.

Rodney Howard-Browne of The River at Tampa Bay Church in Florida mocked people concerned about the disease as “pansies” and insisted he would only shutter the doors to his packed church “when the rapture is taking place.” In a sermon that was live-streamed on Facebook, Tony Spell, a pastor in Louisiana, said, “We’re also going to pass out anointed handkerchiefs to people who may have a fear, who may have a sickness and we believe that when those anointed handkerchiefs go, that healing virtue is going to go on them as well.”

By all accounts, President Trump’s tendency to trust his gut over the experts on issues like vaccines and climate change does not come from any deep-seated religious conviction. But he is perfectly in tune with the religious nationalists who form the core of his base. In his daily briefings from the White House, Mr. Trump actively disdains and contradicts the messages coming from his own experts and touts as yet unproven cures.

Not every pastor is behaving recklessly, of course, and not every churchgoer in these uncertain times is showing up for services out of disregard for the scientific evidence. Far from it. Yet none of the benign uses of religion in this time of crisis have anything to do with Mr. Trump’s expressed hope that the country would be “opened up and just raring to go by Easter.” He could, of course, have said, “by mid-April.” But Mr. Trump did not invoke Easter by accident, and many of his evangelical allies were pleased by his vision of “packed churches all over our country.”

“I think it would be a beautiful time,” the president said.

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Religious nationalism has brought to American politics the conviction that our political differences are a battle between absolute evil and absolute good. When you’re engaged in a struggle between the “party of life” and the “party of death,” as some religious nationalists now frame our political divisions, you don’t need to worry about crafting careful policy based on expert opinion and analysis. Only a heroic leader, free from the scruples of political correctness, can save the righteous from the damned. Fealty to the cause is everything; fidelity to the facts means nothing. Perhaps this is why many Christian nationalist leaders greeted the news of the coronavirus as an insult to their chosen leader.

In an interview on March 13 on “Fox & Friends,” Jerry Falwell Jr., the president of Liberty University, called the response to Coronavirus “hype” and “overreacting.” “You know, impeachment didn’t work, and the Mueller report didn’t work, and Article 25 didn’t work, and so maybe now this is their next, ah, their next attempt to get Trump,” he said.

When Rev. Spell in Louisiana defied an order from Gov. John Bel Edwards and hosted in-person services for over 1,000 congregants, he asserted the ban was “politically motivated.” Figures like the anti-L.G.B.T. activist Steve Hotze added to the chorus, denouncing the concern as — you guessed it — “fake news.”

One of the first casualties of fact-free hyper-partisanship is competence in government. The incompetence of the Trump administration in grappling with this crisis is by now well known, at least among those who receive actual news. February 2020 will go down in history as the month in which the United States, in painful contrast with countries like South Korea and Germany, failed to develop the mass testing capability that might have saved many lives. Less well known is the contribution of the Christian nationalist movement in ensuring that our government is in the hands of people who appear to be incapable of running it well.

Consider the case of Alex Azar, who as secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services has had a prominent role in mismanaging the crisis. It seems likely at this point that Mr. Azar’s signature achievement will have been to rebrand his department as the “Department of Life.” Or maybe he will be remembered for establishing a division of Conscience and Religious Freedom, designed to permit health care providers to deny legal and often medically indicated health care services to certain patients as a matter of religious conscience.

Mr. Azar, a “cabinet sponsor” of Capitol Ministries, the Bible study group attended by multiple members of Mr. Trump’s cabinet, brought with him to Health and Human Services an immovable conviction in the righteousness of the pharmaceutical industry (presumably formed during his five-year stint as an executive and lobbyist in the business), a willingness to speak in the most servile way about “the courage” and “openness to change” of Mr. Trump, and a commitment to anti-abortion politics, abstinence education and other causes of the religious right. What he did not bring, evidently, was any notable ability to manage a pandemic. Who would have guessed that a man skilled at praising Mr. Trump would not be the top choice for organizing the development of a virus testing program, the delivery of urgently needed protective gear to health care workers or a plan for augmenting hospital capabilities?

Or consider Ben Carson, the secretary of Housing and Urban Development, a member of the White House Coronavirus Task Force and another “cabinet sponsor” of Capitol Ministries. As a former pediatric neurosurgeon, Mr. Carson brought more knowledge about medicine to his post than knowledge about housing issues. But that medical knowledge didn’t stop him from asserting on March 8 that for the “healthy individual” thinking of attending one of Mr. Trump’s then-ongoing large-scale campaign rallies, “there’s no reason that you shouldn’t go.”

It is fair to point out that the failings of the Trump administration in the current pandemic are at least as attributable to its economic ideology as they are to its religious inclinations. When the so-called private sector is supposed to have the answer to every problem, it’s hard to deal effectively with the very public problem of a pandemic and its economic consequences. But if you examine the political roots of the life-threatening belief in the privatization of everything, you’ll see that Christian nationalism played a major role in creating and promoting the economic foundations of America’s incompetent response to the pandemic.

For decades, Christian nationalist leaders have lined up with the anti-government, anti-tax agenda not just as a matter of politics but also as a matter of theology. Ken Blackwell of the Family Research Council, one of the Christian right’s major activist groups, has gone so far as to cast food stamps and other forms of government assistance for essential services as contrary to the “biblical model.” Limited government, according to this line of thinking, is “godly government.”

When a strong centralized response is needed from the federal government, it doesn’t help to have an administration that has never believed in a federal government serving the public good. Ordinarily, the consequences of this kind of behavior don’t show up for some time. In the case of a pandemic, the consequences are too obvious to ignore.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
Typical Right Wingers.

Step 1. Do the deed.

Step 2. Claim religious persecution if anyone calls you out for doing the deed.

Step 3. Talk big about how everyone else ought to take responsibility for their actions.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Generally speaking I think most Christians are behaving sensibly about this virus, but its perfectly fair for the NY Times to complain if some don't.

I guess I'd check reuters and bbc, because I don't have a Times subscription and won't slog through brightfarts.


Here's a strange report about an African preacher who embarrassed his church with his antics:
"
An evangelical preacher who claims he can cure the virus has also been the subject of disinformation.

...

"
I am going prophetically to destroy coronavirus. I am going to China, I want to destroy coronavirus," he says in the video.

A few days later, reports appeared in blogs alleging that he had travelled to China but had been admitted to hospital after contracting the virus. The blogs refer to the pastor under a different name - Elija Emeka Chibuke.

..." From The fake coronavirus stories spreading in Africa

Aside from that I have heard some headline about Copeland and that there was a mega church in the USA which would keep going in spite of the megavirus, plus there is a very large evangelical church in Brazil that is making lots of headlines for similar reasons.

Mostly the news is sensationalist -- as usual, but some of these preacher guys are generating sensationalism with their antics.
You know. Considering that he has it now, and his body is producing antibodies, he might be partially right, albiet in a way that was not intended. Heh.
 

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...

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Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
Well, I guess I shouldn’t expect you to get it, but from the perspective of evangelical Christians, those as Kenneth Copeland and Jim Bakker or others like them are NOT evangelicals, but rather like the Bible describes them; false teachers, heretics, and wolves in sheep’s clothing.
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Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
A very creative way to alert me.....

You asked for an example of something factually wrong.
I offer this excerpt....

It is fair to point out that the failings of the Trump administration in the current pandemic are at least as attributable to its economic ideology as they are to its religious inclinations. When the so-called private sector is supposed to have the answer to every problem, it’s hard to deal effectively with the very public problem of a pandemic and its economic consequences. But if you examine the political roots of the life-threatening belief in the privatization of everything, you’ll see that Christian nationalism played a major role in creating and promoting the economic foundations of America’s incompetent response to the pandemic.
 

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
So the leading Democrats who encouraged people to go to crowded places in that time period? they were ? promoters of science?

Hardly

They were playing political games.
If you believe that anyone encouraging people to go to crowded places are wrong, then you are basically agreeing with this NYT editorial. If the Democrats who did this were wrong (and they were) then the evangelicals who are still doing this are also wrong.

A pastor handing out holy handkerchiefs telling people it will protect them is literally going to get people killed.

I read the editorial and agree 100%.
 
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GoodbyeDave

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