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Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by cambridge79, Jan 8, 2016.

  1. RedDragon94

    RedDragon94 Feeling Fine I guess

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    How is the universe simple? Cells on our bodies are reproducing and dying faster than I can write this. There is such a thing as the food chain and it is complex. Light is reaching the earth 8 minutes and 20 seconds after it is produced. Humans are pregnant nine months while elephants are pregnant (depending on their location) 18 to 22 months. If everything is simple why is life as a whole not simple?
     
  2. Robert.Evans

    Robert.Evans You will be assimilated; it is His Will.

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    What a stupid question
     
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    Robert.Evans You will be assimilated; it is His Will.

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    Where is your evidence of that?
     
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    Robert.Evans You will be assimilated; it is His Will.

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    So the atheist knows better than God? Wow! Ridiculous.
     
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    outhouse Atheistically

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    All of written history.
     
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  6. cambridge79

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    i taught Moses went up the mountain alone and god revealed himself to him. Than he went down the mountain and found half of the people worshipping an idol. Are you referring to a different episode?
     
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    lot of poetry but not much substance in your words. It looks more someone trying to sell the quran more than understand it.
     
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    i'm just curious since you probably know better than me on the subject. Before Exodus the israelites ( the ones who will become the israelites to be precise ) were supposedly the slaves of the egiptians. In egypt only the elites were able to read ( like priests and scribes ).
    How could it be possible that their slaves were more educated than their masters?
     
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    i don't know, first thing that comes to mind ( not necessarely what i would have expected ) what about a sacred rock that when you touch it you can feel in your heart the will of god? that would work better than texts full of contaddictions, interpretations and myths that could have been written by anyone. what about if you're god able to do anything and you decide to reveal yourself, you do it in such a way that is accessible to anyone and can't be honestly denied in its nature?
     
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    what a stupid answer

    If you are part of a religion, let's say you're a christian, you dismiss the texts of all other religions, let's say kuran or vedas. So believers knows better than god?
     
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    Which god exactly are you talking about???
     
  12. roger1440

    roger1440 I do stuff

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    This is such a rock

    The LORD is my rock, my fortress and my deliverer; my God is my rock, in whom I take refuge, my shield and the horn of my salvation, my stronghold." (Psalm 18:2)
     
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    Indeed it may be for you. ( but not for me ) but apart from that my point was that there would have been a very high chance that such a rock you would have not been able to directly experience it if you were born in any other period of time prior world war 2 where only a very small part of the population was able to read. the rock of my example anyone would have been able to experience.
     
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    One simply enjoys seeing the nature, it is beautiful and entertaining. Don't you enjoy the beautiful scenery around?
    The astronomers who see the universe with telescope do enjoy seeing it. Don't they? Please
    Regards
     
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    do you enjoy and find entratainging seeying a lion eating his own cubs? that's nature aswell and happens regularly in lion societies.
    or watching a earthquake hit a country and kill people and animals.
     
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    9-10ths_Penguin 1/10 Riboflavin
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    The confusion, disagreement, and disunity created by the Bible seems inevitable given the way it was written, codified, and disseminated. This means there are two possibilities:

    - this confusion, disagreement, and disunity was intentional.
    - these effects were inadvertent.

    Option 1 implies that if the source of the Bible was God, then God is a capricious trickster-god.

    Option 2 implies that if the source of the Bible was God, then God is incompetent.

    Either option can be reconciled with some sort of god, so it isn't God we're questioning; it's you.
     
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    RedDragon94 Feeling Fine I guess

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    The fact that astronomers like what they see when they look through a telescope is beside the point. We do a lot more than enjoy nature from a distance. We investigate it and it tells us that nature and the cosmos are complex. It doesn't negate the divine. The complexity of nature shows the power of the primordial forces. There is more than what we see, if you don't believe that are you a spiritual person really?
     
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    The only "transcendant message" that makes sense to me is Reality and the Laws of Reality. Such Laws are self-evident and equally applicable to all people and all creation, in all time, in all space, without need for intermediaries. Anything less than such Laws, such as "holy books", cannot withstand the charge that they can easily be explained away as the creation of a lesser creature.
     
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    Its not god who revealed himself through the texts, its the one's who wrote the words and believe that it was god, which is up for debate.
     
  20. LuisDantas

    LuisDantas Aura of atheification
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    Difficulty at grasping the actual teachings is more often than not a boon rather than a liability for a doctrine, if it is not too ostensive.

    It encourages people to fill the gaps with their own judgement and to attribute most flaws and contradictions to failure to grasp the contents properly.

    There is a reason why, say, Rudyard Kipling's "If" is not considered scripture, despite in many senses fitting the bill so nicely. It lacks that veneer of mystery and ambiguity that demographically succesfull scripture needs.

    Were there an actual Abrahamic-styled God, his presence and blessing would logically have to be perceived above all by the wisdom and loving kindness of those inspired by his gifts. It is not like words on paper can be nearly as sublime or personal. But written text is useful for purposes of keeping a sense of revealed mystery, as well as for giving a tangible, visible reference to support a sense of linkage to the original revelation. For some people that is Really Important.
     
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