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Why Won't You be Voting for Mr. Trump this Fall?

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by Sunstone, Jul 3, 2020.

  1. Sunstone

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    If you will be voting this fall in the election for president, but will not be voting for Mr. Trump, why won't you be voting for him?



    By the way, this video is so far the best brief public discussion of the coming election that I have seen. What do you think of it?

     
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    He publicly lies too much. Thereby making "America bad again" NOT making "America great again", setting a bad example, ignoring importance of "speaking Truth"
     
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    I live in the UK, we have our own mini-Trump here.
     
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    I can't understand why other nations keep following us into the abyss.
     
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    Anytime James Carville shows up, I want to turn it off.
     
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    Neither can I, it is the effect of Putin meddling and funding alt-Right idiots
     
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    Interesting that Bozo is still refusing to publish that report into Russian interference in British public life. One wonders whether Putin has kompromat on him too!
     
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    There is a set of criteria that I think are important.

    1) Who is going to fix the economy post-COVID?
    2) Who is more moderate? I don't like crazy one-sided policy.
    3) Who is opposed to the riots, destruction, and whatever?
    4) Who has the backs of law enforcement?
    5) Who has the backs of the military regarding developments with China?
    6) Who is more against censorship and revisionism?

    For me, #1 is kinda 50/50 on Trump or Biden -- I see Trump as more able to get an immediate economic gain, but I see Biden as most conservative on this and still able to gain. It's more of whether you want your recovery in a year, or four. I think the time is of the essence, so probably leaning Trump on that.

    #2, certainly favoring Trump. I think Biden often cows to his party and his party is being overrun by the radical left. I don't want radicals with sock puppet Presidents. Whether you like what Trump is doing or not he's his own man. Trump often leans toward his party when he agrees with something, but rejects it when it goes too far right.

    #3, #4, #5 - Trump undoubtedly. While the Republican response to civil unrest is rather anemic they don't actively support it. Democrats are completely the reverse, and I do not view Biden as anything but a meat-suit for the radicals pulling strings in his party. Biden also is a China globalist pet, so that isn't useful. He'd mean a lot of lost jobs.

    #6 Trump. Not even an issue for Biden. This is so fundamentally important and while Trump hasn't made great in-roads at least philosophically he's against cancel culture and censorship.
    Biden's party are the agents of most of this crap, and I disdain this completely. Nothing will make me vote for someone that supports this.

    Anyway, watching a few Trump speeches and a couple of Biden speeches I don't feel Biden even addresses any issues that are important at all. I think our President should be a strong person and not someone that would sell us out every time they get the chance. I just don't see that in him. I'm not particularly hyper-supportive of Trump and have my gripes, but I find Biden to be the worst candidate they could nominate. If they had nominated Yang, Tulsi, or even Bernie I'd have to think. (Bernie is a socialist, but the capitalistically-oriented version. That isn't the WORST thing. And, he has the complete support of the constitution and is anti-censorship.)
     
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    Yes, it is worrying for a democracy that they withhold stuff like the Russia Report
     
  10. Kapalika

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    I don't fancy voting for someone that will systematically do all they can to dismantle my rights and dignity of life and access to healthcare.

    One good example of an ongoing battle is that Trump's admin is right now trying to make it so that trans people can't be in homeless shelters in accordance with their gender.

    That might not sound "like a big deal" to people... but I have heard horror stories from trans friends who were in both different situations. You are almost always safer in the shelter matching your gender. I've personally known trans people in my personal life who got raped in shelters ect.

    I was homeless for about a year, and it was the most horrible part of my life so far and shelters are already so bad I decided I'd rather stay on the streets. Most shelters are already bad enough, let's not make them worse for a very vulnerable group.

    1. Neither, both are gonna just give more money to corporations and leave the working class hanging.
    2. Technically Biden but both are right of center with Trump having a strong fascist streak. Biden is only more moderate in the sense of some social policies are left leaning.
    3. Both which is a problem, since riots, as the language of the unheard, are the next step after peaceful protests don't work. The Boston Tea Party wasn't a peaceful protest.
    4. Both and that's a problem; abolition of the American police system (which has it's origins in slave patrols) and starting from scratch is the only real solution.
    5. I don't think we are going to go to war with China and we spend too much on military in the realm of x5-10.
    6. Trump wants to censor political opponents and his admin has systematically dismantled whistle blower protections, I don't know about Biden however. Obama also was pretty anti-whistle blower which people tend to forget however.

    Both are garbage and so is the rigged 2 party system.
     
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    Both parties. But only 1 party is interested in a corporate takeover of our tax payer institutions.

    Here's a more important question you should have asked.

    Who is going to listen to science and the experts?
     
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    My reasons for not voting for that creature haven't changed from the first time around, beyond the list growing longer or now having many unfortunate examples to back those reasons. And it still stands that even if they actually backed everything I believe needs to be done for this country I would still never vote for them. They are a textbook narcissist and display strong indicators of sociopathy. These are unfortunate health conditions and I feel sorry for anyone who has to deal with it, but someone who has these conditions and is obviously not getting treatment for them has no business being head of state. Pathological self-centeredness and lack of empathy make one incapable of representing the interests of a nation.
     
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    He looks like an ample full enough Trumpish clone to me. I heard that they are cloning Trumps in Brazil.
     
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    We try our best!!!

    :confused::confused::confused:
     
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    I don't follow politics. But when I do listen to the news, and I hear Trump speaking , all I hear is jibber-jabber nonsense.

    But besides that:

    I find him to be a poor role model.

    I will not be voting for Trump in the fall.
     
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    Can you please tell me what you consider to be far-left and far-right policy? I can't see how Trump would be considered being anywhere close to moderate.
     
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    I see your point on many of your issues, but sometimes it's just a bigger fish to fry problem. I'm not particularly fond of anti-trans moves because it's in the realm of something the government shouldn't give a **** about. (How does it affect you if it's not you? etc) Debates aside, you know my position on the matter is that people should live how they want if it harms no one. I don't see the argument where living as trans has anything to do with anyone else. But, to me, as far as government bodies they should have no concern nor accommodation. (I don't think anyone's specific particulars should be accommodated or resisted, etc.) The trans issue is complicated in situations like jails and other resources where mixed-genders are not safe. My position is those shouldn't be catered to at all, and biological sex should be the only concern. But, that's not because I have a dislike for anyone it's just there is a physical fact, and an identity. It's just dishonest to present that as the same thing.

    Trump isn't fascist at all though, and I disagree with that completely. He's practically a 1980's through 1990's Democrat on all positions. We could make a better argument for him not being a real Republican at all, lol. He's more that than anything... It's just the left has gone so far left it'll make your head spin. I think "too far-right" and "too far left" are bad positions, but that's me in the middle. Trump is only far-right if you're far left, lol.

    Totally agree on the lack of good candidates and government on the part of both parties though.
     
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    Unfortunately, we're in a situation where academia and scientific institutions should never be trusted. They're infected with politics. That doesn't mean there is no value to science, in my view, but that we should be extremely untrusting.

    But, there is the other thing. Sometimes we know the science is good, but the economic considerations are too disastrous to care. Whether people will be honest with themselves or not there is a reasonable amount of illness or casualty that has to be accepted or the country falls apart. You don't always get these perfect situations where what you are doing will prevent any adversity, and sometimes all you can do is take reasonable precautions and carry on. Continuing the lockdowns, layoffs, and other problems cause deaths of despair. Those may be higher than the relatively low deaths attributed to COVID. (This is currently the case, btw.)
     
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    Of course he is. How many examples do you want?
     
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    That's a lie. Lay off the conspiracy theory nonsense please.
     
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