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Featured Why women shouldn't be ordained in any Christian church. (Christian)

Discussion in 'Same Faith Debates' started by Jonathan Bailey, Apr 24, 2019.

  1. Jonathan Bailey

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    The man gives the seed: the woman nourishes it in her womb.

    This is the law of nature.

    The Lord Jesus Christ provided the Seed, His Word.

    The Church, His Wife, nourishes the Seed, the Word as a child in the womb.

    Women are not created by God to provide the Seed, the Word.

    Only men are.

    Listen to Archbishop Sheen:

    19:50

     
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    I'm suspecting troll here, but okay, I'll engage.

    That wasn't even a complete thought. You spoke of Christ and the Church, not men and women. You still haven't said exactly what you think the role of actual women is in all this.

    Even when I was a little kid and didn't understand this attitude, I didn't understand this attitude. Who are usually the most religious in a family/community? Who were Jesus' most faithful disciples? Yet these people should be excluded from the faith? Come on.
     
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    Would have to disagree....

    2 John Amplified Bible, Classic Edition (AMPC)
    1 The elderly elder [of the church addresses this letter] to the elect (chosen) lady (Cyria) and her children, whom I truly love—and not only I but also all who are [progressively] learning to recognize and know and understand the Truth—

    Cyria was a woman pastor.

    Galatians 3:28
    There is [now no distinction] neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is not male and female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
     
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    Jesus's twelve original disciples, the Apostles, were all men.

    I did not speak all this, Archbishop Sheen did before his death in 1979.

    The role of women in all this is to educate children in the Word as do teaching nuns, for instance, in Catholic schools.

    I'm sure many a Christian woman have fostered the faith in their children over the centuries.

    Do you think churchgoing is strictly for old ladies?
     
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    Genesis 1:27 King James Version (KJV)
    So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
     
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    Don't know if you are serious here, but illI bite. Are you aware that there were prophetesses and deaconesses in the Bible?
     
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    Apparently loyal servant to the men of the church and child bearer.:confused:
     
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    *** mod post ***

    This was moved to a Christian only discussion forum.
     
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    Yes... but, as Christian, we are born again into new creatures where "in Christ" there is equality between men and women. The power of the name of Jesus is just as powerfully used by women as by men.

    Also, I quoted where there were women in authority in John... and here are others:

    OT -Judges 4:4 Now Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lappidoth, judged Israel at that time. -

    She ruled, prophesied, judged and taught

    "Another female minister esteemed by Paul was Phoebe. In Romans 16:1-2 Paul described Phoebe as both a diakonos and a prostatis. Kevin Giles writes:

    The meaning of the last term has been much debated. In either its masculine or feminine form it means literally ‘one who stands before.’ This meaning is never lost whether it be translated leader, president, protector or patron . . . Its verbal form is proistanai (cf. Thess. 5:12; 1 Tim 5:17), a term used of male church leaders elsewhere in the New Testament.[11]

    Prisca [Priscilla] is not the only woman associated with house church leadership. A surprising number of women are mentioned in this role. . . . In Acts we see Mark’s mother providing a home for the Christians to assemble (Acts 12:12) and at Philippi we hear of believers meeting in the home of Lydia (Acts 16:14-15, 40). Writing to the Colossians, Paul greets “Nympha and the church in her house” (Col. 4:15). Perhaps Chloe is also the host of a home-church (1 Cor. 1:11), as may have been some of the other women Paul greets in the last chapter of Romans.[19]"

    So by virtue of what is written, you are mistaken
     
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    You would think that this evidence would be enough to put this debate to rest, but old traditions die hard. I grew up in a Baptist church where women were not allowed to be in any pastoral or teaching position (except to teach children's Sunday school class). Always thought that a bit silly.
     
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    I'll ignore this poser.
     
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    That is so true, David!

    I had some sacred cows myself that I had to put on the altar of the burning-of-religious-thinking. I guess we all have to go through it. :)
     
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    We do, I agree. Mine consisted of a lot of "angry God" phobias from crazy revival preachers when I was a kid. Very traumatic. Others were traditions that no matter how creative I got, I couldn't make them line up with scripture. I still have a lot to learn. The trick is, not sticking my foot in my mouth too much along the way.;)
     
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    No, I am not aware of that. I don't believe they had any clergy function if they were. I don't think Jesus Christ calls for women in such functions in the New Testament. Evidently, the Roman Catholic Church (and some Protestant Churches) has its justifications for precluding women from the clergy. Women serve the Church in many lay roles. If I were to ever become a devout Christian again, I would not be a member of a denomination that allowed ordained women. I have forsaken the Methodist Church for permitting women "ministers".
     
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    Women don't have a strong enough and deep enough voice to preach from the pulpit.

    Reading the bible is one thing but preaching is another.
     
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    @KenS Quoted some good verses in post #9.
     
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    Well, that makes sense.o_O
     
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    So basically, it's just your personal preference.
     
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    In the early 70's in the Church we attended, women could not be at the pulpit unless there was a male up there also to "cover her". I notice that in Mormon Churches there is a whole collection of "Key Holders" up there, perhaps for the same reason? I did not see that happen at the last church I attended.
     
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    Someone forgot to tell Aimee Semple McPherson who started the 4 Square Churches that now have over 8 million members.
     
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