Why This Growing Trend?

[viole]

Gun violence in Sweden (Swedish: skjutningar or gängskjutningar, "gang shootings") increased steeply among males aged 15 to 29 in the two decades prior to 2018, in addition to a rising trend in gun violence there was also a high rate of gun violence in Sweden compared to other countries in Western Europe.

By 2021, gun violence by crime gangs had increased tenfold since the early 1990s.

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So, you are telling me that all of a sudden, Sweden has been overrun by religious people, and young people at that.
I guess they sent over a whole heap of young religious people to terrorize good ole Sweden.

Yes. The good news for you is that they are not Christians.

Ciao

- viole

 

[nPeace]

Thats about as off base as the claim atheism exists due to the love of vice.

How so? How long have we known each other... online, that is?
Does it make sense arguing with someone, when you know they aren't going to give a thought to a word you say?
I think we learn from experience as well, and it's wise to apply knowledge, rather than have it, but not apply it.

I know you won't keep quite till you have had the last word, so I'll give you the opportunity to say something useful.
The oldest book in history, says this about atheism. QUOTE In his haughtiness, the wicked man makes no investigation; All his thoughts are: “There is no God.” UNQUOTE.
Another... QUOTE The foolish* one says in his heart: “There is no Jehovah.” Their actions are corrupt, and their dealings are detestable; UNQUOTE

You don't know the first atheist, so how can you argue about something you don't know.
In the first century, atheism had not changed. Romans 1:18-21 It's basically the same today.

What I have said has basis. It is also true.

 

[viole]

The young are scared because...? Oh. They are not scared, but brainwashed right.
You think you have all the answers, but you don't. Atheism only exists because people love vice.
Do you know the first atheist?

Nonsense. I could believe in a God who loves what you call vice and have both.

ctually, that cannot be true, since most religions are made up of majority young people.

The official religions are surely not made up by young people. In your case, that has been made up by some Bronze Age people.

Do you believe living in a house is better than living in the bush?
Why do some people choose to live in the bush?

Oh dear. I did not ask you that. I asked if you would rather live in a secular place or a religious one, without telling you which one will be.
I start losing hope with you.

No. This is what I mean by not understanding what to follow means.
First let me address the misrepresentation of the Bible, which atheists push and then attack.

There is no standard in the Bible saying execute children. There is no standard in the Bible for a young girl to marry her rapist.
The Israelites were under ruled by God. Hence, under that rule, laws were to be obeyed. Violation of those laws carried penalties.
These were enforced.

These "children" who were executed were not minors. None were. Minors were instructed by their parents, according to the law.
"Children", of age, to understand the law, and apply it, were judged based on the fact that they were responsible for their actions.
The standard there was, God's Laws are not made to be broken, and God does not fail to enforce laws. He is a God of justice.
We benefit too, from obeying.

A young girl who was "raped" - atheists allege... according to the Bible, found to have been in the act of sexual intercourse, was to marry the one they were found in the act with. Rapist - that is, those guilty of rape - not based on allegations - were to be put to death.

If you read a Bible that says otherwise, may I suggest you get another Bible... or perhaps read it carefully.

Secondly, to follow the Bible, one needs to understand that the laws that govern Israel, only applied to that nation.
The principles however, apply for all generations.
When God rules the whole earth, everyone would be under those laws, and required to live by them, or face the penalties.

I don't know what you mean. That is the 10 commandments.

What is there to misrepresent?

Millions of people care. You don't have to care. Not many care if you do.
I only care because I want the best for you.

Following means, keeping up with what it says. It says God's people are under the law of Christ.
To give an example, the Israelites were given instructions concerning warfare. Christians are given instructions concerning warfare.
If you are following, you would not be lost as to the difference.
If you are not following, you get left behind... stuck on things that do not apply... for reasons you don't understand.

You shouldn't. In the extremely unlikely event that your theology is right, I would vastly prefer to go to Hell.

Yes, because that's not in the Bible.
Feel free to read it a hundred times. Deuteronomy 22:23-29
I guarantee you... only atheists will see "a little girl should marry her rapist". They have extra vision, you see - the ability to see what's not written.

What does it say then?

28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay her father fifty shekels[a] of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.

So, I wonder whether it is not better to have extra vision, rather than no vision at all.

Ciao

- viole

 

[nPeace]

Yes. The good news for you is that they are not Christians.

Ciao

- viole

What... the information is too shocking to respond coherently to? I understand. Truth often does that to atheists.

 

[nPeace]

Nonsense. I could believe in a God who loves what you call vice and have both.

The official religions are surely not made up by young people. In your case, that has been made up by some Bronze Age people.

Oh dear. I did not ask you that. I asked if you would rather live in a secular place or a religious one, without telling you which one will be.
I start losing hope with you.


I don't know what you mean. That is the 10 commandments.

What is there to misrepresent?


You shouldn't. In the extremely unlikely event that your theology is right, I would vastly prefer to go to Hell.


What does it say then?

28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay her father fifty shekels[a] of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.

So, I wonder whether it is not better to have extra vision, rather than no vision at all.

Ciao

- viole

Get a responsible translation of the Bible, and stop appealing to paraphrased for your own convenience.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Not really.

I could believe in a God that sends people committing vice to heaven, and the others to hell. And go ahead with my vice, while being a devout believer.

Ciao

- viole

You could, but little kids believe and death usually isn't too much of a concern to them. Some believe due to a joyous reason. It also depends on what you mean by god and if theirs and afterlife. The American Founding Fathers, for example, those like Jefferson, Franklin and Paine were deists and in there views of a Grand Architect the universe needs of a creator, but they didn't write much about an afterlife and I think was Jefferson who wrote he "hopes for a pleasant afterlife."

 

[Shadow Wolf]

How so? How long have we known each other... online, that is?
Does it make sense arguing with someone, when you know they aren't going to give a thought to a word you say?
I think we learn from experience as well, and it's wise to apply knowledge, rather than have it, but not apply it.

I know you won't keep quite till you have had the last word, so I'll give you the opportunity to say something useful.
The oldest book in history, says this about atheism. QUOTE In his haughtiness, the wicked man makes no investigation; All his thoughts are: “There is no God.” UNQUOTE.
Another... QUOTE The foolish* one says in his heart: “There is no Jehovah.” Their actions are corrupt, and their dealings are detestable; UNQUOTE

You don't know the first atheist, so how can you argue about something you don't know.
In the first century, atheism had not changed. Romans 1:18-21 It's basically the same today.

What I have said has basis. It is also true.

You are so wrong you think the Bible is the oldest book in history and think spreading more garbage against atheists is OK because the Bible--hypocritically--calls them fools and wicked people, so that must be true.

Does it make sense arguing with someone, when you know they aren't going to give a thought to a word you say?

Does it make sense I don't care and I'm known for calling out such behaviors even in real life?

 

[Twilight Hue]

A lot of journalists get their news from social media. The world really is disappearing up it’s own fundament.

True.

Most stories are now copy and paste through multiple outlets.

 

[viole]

What... the information is too shocking to respond coherently to? I understand. Truth often does that to atheists.

You mean Islam is truth?

Ciao

- viole

 

[viole]

Get a responsible translation of the Bible, and stop appealing to paraphrased for your own convenience.

I have a responsible one. In German, though.

So, what is your point?

Ciao

- viole

 

[viole]

You could, but little kids believe and death usually isn't too much of a concern to them. Some believe due to a joyous reason. It also depends on what you mean by god and if theirs and afterlife. The American Founding Fathers, for example, those like Jefferson, Franklin and Paine were deists and in there views of a Grand Architect the universe needs of a creator, but they didn't write much about an afterlife and I think was Jefferson who wrote he "hopes for a pleasant afterlife."

Could be, but I cannot miss the fact that churches, at lest here, are mainly used by old people.

Ciao

- viole

 

[viole]

Could be, but I cannot miss the fact that churches, at lest hear, are mainly used by old people. And that impending catastrophes, or at least expected ones, boost church attendance, too.

Ciao

- viole

 

[PureX]

I would blame media culture for this bleak outlook among young people, mostly. Not just all the bad news they focus on endlessly, and the stupid political and cultural fighting, but the endless parade of distopian horror content being produced, too.

Why? Why are we drowning ourselves with all this pointless negative crap? Seriously! Look at the "entertainment" being offered on network and streaming services these days. Most of it aimed at teenagers. It's not just the phony news and idiotic politics, it's Hollywood, too.

 

[nPeace]

You mean Islam is truth?

Ciao

- viole

The information regarding the escalation of violent crime in your atheistic country is truth... not to mention the high level of sex crimes. What... atheist can't control their sexual desire?

 

[nPeace]

I have a responsible one. In German, though.

So, what is your point?

Ciao

- viole

What's the version, and what does it say in that verse?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Could be, but I cannot miss the fact that churches, at lest here, are mainly used by old people.

Ciao

- viole

The Church, that is a case where shame, guilt and fear have perpetuated its continued existence.

 

[Muffled]

To be sure we don't spend more time on whether or not this is a growing trend, I thought it might be useful to go with the data we have been provided with, in case our ideas become the foundation for our seeing this trend as not.

Analysis of the trends and geographical distribution of suicides revealed that
nearly 25% of the total counties experienced at least a 10% increase in suicides from 2010 to 2019, with about 12% of total counties
exhibiting an increase of at least 50%.

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Since the methods of analysis has not significantly changed for the better, evidently, better analysis is not the reason for seeing this trend, but rather, it is indeed, a growing trend.

With that out of the way, perhaps we can better focus on the causes and contributors of the trend... Hopefully.

Hope. Those who hope in God will wait for a rescue but a person without God has no source of hope or help.

 

[Muffled]

Yes, the world has a lot of huge and urgent problems.

That said, I'm always amused when people defend social media without understanding the neuroscience of addiction and dopamine and serotonin, and how social media feeds those mechanisms.

A Christian expects rescue from the worlds trouble by way of the Rapture. A hope that man can bring about climate change is a slim hope at best.

 

[anna.]

I first suspect things are not that different than they have been in past decades. I think the statistical changes are likely more due to people being more open to expressing their emotions and mental health specialists that are more sensitive to things.

I think screen overload has a lot to do with it for a number of reasons including unhealthy levels of self-absorption and isolation, but it's a variable and you make a valid point here because of the problems of causation and directionality. Also - how much of this is a U.S., or a western problem, rather than a global problem? The U.S. can be very America-centric.

 

[Muffled]

I thought that was both very funny, and creative.
Being the kind of guy that loves learning, I did what I usually do... research.
Sweden Suicide Rate 2000-2023

Scandinavia seems to do this SeeSaw style.
What do you suppose is the cause, or causes, if not religion?

Although there are some thinking that suicide is a quick way to get to Heaven, most Christians know that God does not approve of the taking of life without His permission.