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Discussion in 'Evolution Vs. Creationism' started by Wild Fox, Mar 31, 2019.

  1. Subduction Zone

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    Moving on, the appearance of animals:

     
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    The Baha'i view is very realistic in that the view of Creation in Genesis is the view that people predominantly believed in the Middle East based on Sumerian/Babylonian/Canaanite/Ugarit, and then the Hebrew cultures from about ~1000 to 600 BCE when it was compiled edited and written in Hebrew including Hebrew from the more ancient Sumerian/Babylonian/Canaanite/Ugarit cuneiform tablets. As the human view spiritually evolved science and the Baha'i Revelation endorsing science Revealed the contemporary knowledge today of a universe ~13.5 billions of years old, our solar system, earth, and evolving life is billions of years old by the actual physical objective verifiable evidence..
     
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    The account of creation in Genesis is fine. Humans are not merely animals and so I am fine with the creation account in Genesis.
     
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    . . . Creationist cartoon sources.
     
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    The account is fine for people of the Middle East ~2000+ years ago, but a high school level education in science reveals that the universe is !13.5 billion years old at least and our earth, evolution of life, and the solar system is billions of years old.
     
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    The account is fine for all people for all times.
     
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    Unfortunately it is mythology and science is the standard today based on the objective verifiable evidence.

    Where is the evidence for your fundi Creationist view of a literal Genesis?
     
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    Sure.... First, just tell us HOW ancient men, who lived more than 3k years ago, could have possibly known these scientific Facts before science.

    1. We live in a Multiverse. Genesis 1:6-8 and Genesis 2:4 Physicists have confirmed this with their equations BUT it won't be confirmed physically until later this year when the Europeans launch the L.I.S.A. satellites formally file their report which measures the Gravitational pull of the other unvierses within the multiverse.
    2. The Big Bang of our cosmos was on the THIRD Day. (13.7B years ago in man' time) Genesis 2:4 speaks of other HeavenS which were also made on this Day. The FIRST universe or heaven was made the SECOND Day. Genesis 1:6-8
    3. The FIRST Stars were NOT formed until the FOURTH Day. Genesis 1:16 Science has confirmed that the FIRST Stars did NOT form until Hundreds of Millions of years AFTER the Big Bang, made on the 3rd Day.
    4. All living creatures except humans were created and brought forth from the Water on Day 5. Genesis 1:21 Science shows that the cells within the bodies of ALL living creatures cannot live without liquid water.
    5. The combination of the sons of God (Prehistoric people) and Adam's descendants produces Human intelligence in prehistoric people. Genesis 6:4 (descent with modification or micro-evolution) This explains WHY today's Humans have the DNA and ERVs of the common ancestor of Apes AND the Human intelligence which ONLY Adam was made with. Genesis 3:22

    I have many more, but I will wait and see IF you can explain HOW anyone but God knew this and wrote this so many thousands of years ago
     
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    You are making the error of reinterpreting the Bible after the fact. That is not how one approaches it. Any religion is "true" if one can do this.
     
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    Ape? Speak for your self. I'm no ape.
    Examining the video which I took a screen shot of the graph on evolution

    evo1.jpg
    Protozoa--->some sort of fingerling--->larger fish maybe an angel fish---->still a fish maybe a flounder---->still a fish, maybe a clown fish---->became a reptile, a dino of sort----> small rat---->monkey---->ape----->human?

    That is the graph on the video and the article from BBC that according to evolution humans have lived under the sea.

     
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    Like it or not you are an ape. You cannot name any significant biological differences between you and other apes. I would suggest that you read this article:

    Hominidae - Wikipedia

    And no, the articles do not say that humans lived under the sea. Our ancestors were not "human". Humanity was an emergent trait.
     
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    MJFlores John 15:19

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    I'm sure the Homo Habilis kept records of themselves millions of years, to give chronicles for future Homo Sapiens to read.

    ape.jpg
     
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    We Do have records of them.
     
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    Science is studying the evolution of the sons of God (prehistoric mankind) INSTEAD of Humans, who are the descendants of Adam, the common ancestor of ALL Humans

    Today's Evols and some Religionist are totally ignorant that Human blood was contaminated by the blood of the common ancestor of Apes because Noah's grandsons had NO other humans to marry. They married the descendants of the sons of God (Prehistoric people) who were ALREADY here when Noah arrived. In the past, some 10-11k years ago, Humans have been scattered over the whole face of our Planet. Gen 11:9

    Adam was formed of the dust of the ground on the 3rd Day, the SAME Day as the Big Bang of our Cosmos, or some 13.7 Billion years ago in man's time. Adam was made with a higher intelligence level than ANY creature whose origin was in the water on the 5th Day, because Adam had an intelligence like God's. Gen 3:22

    Of course, it is IMPOSSIBLE for Adam, the first Human, to have evolved from the common ancestor of Apes since our Earth is only 4.53 Billion years old, and Adam had been around for Billions of years before then.

    Adam's direct descendant, Noah, arrived on our Earth - after their world was totally destroyed in the flood - some 11k years ago. Human civilization, on this Planet, can be traced to Noah’s arrival in the vicinity of Mt. Ararat. History agrees and odd man out is the False ToE which is "willingly ignorant" 2Pe 3:5 of our true Human origins. You can read of the sexual compatibility of the sons of God (prehistoric mankind) and Adam's descendants in Genesis 6:1-4.

     
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    Apes and their descendants don't grow crops. This was true until the last less than 1% of the time since science teaches that "humans" diverged from Chimps, which was 6 Million years ago and these "humans" NEVER grew a crop. When you pin them down, they say that humans didn't become "fully human" until 200k years ago.

    Of course they then cannot explain WHY it took some 190k years before these "humans" grew themselves something to eat. The answer is simple. Prehistoric people, who descended from animals, did NOT have the Human intelligence which ONLY the descendants of Adam, the first Human, was made with. Adam's descendants arrived on the Ark and human farming began.

    Since prehistoric people began to diverge from Chimps some 6 Million years ago, this means that for more than 99% of the time since then, prehistoric people NEVER planted a crop, built a house, or had ANY of the traits of modern Humans. This is because they were NOT humans since they did NOT descend from Adam. Only the descendants of Adam are Humans.

    Science agrees that prehistoric mankind evolved from the water along with every other living creature Gen 1:21, since living cells cannot live without liquid water. Adam was a Special Creation, made to be an Eternal Being like God. Adam was FIRST made Gen 2:4-7 and had an intelligence like God's, Gen 3:22 which is superior to any other living creature, since Humans are destined to have dominion over Heaven. Gen 1:28

    Prehistoric man was NOT made with an intelligence level like God's but was made to be compatible with Humans sexually. This happened on the 5th Day when God (Elohim-The Trinity) created and brought forth from the water EVERY living creature that moves EXCEPT Humans, since Adam had lived with Jesus for Billions of years BEFORE these creatures were made from the water on the 5th Day. Gen 1:21
     
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    No way, Jose.

    Maybe your President is, but not me.

     
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    Each and every child is a different animal...if you draw the line and say "Ha! This child's genes are different than its parents!" Then that child marries someone from a different country...then their child is even more different than its grandparents...and so on.

    Because of the passage of time and the progression of generations and because of human sensitivities grandchildren don't breed with their grandparents or their grandparent's generation. They could but there is something considered very wrong with this even if the grandparents are still fertile enough to pull it off.

    So what species have you not observed in the process of change? 500 years ago where were the Americans (of the U.S) and with their particular appearances?
     
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    Yes, I know about Meyer. He was one of three, the other two being Dembsky and Campbell, who tried to file depositions at the Dover trial 2005; and who, finding they couldn't do so without facing cross-examination, wet their pants and rushed deep into the high hills.

    However the question I asked you is why in nearly 60 years creos have made not one scientific scratch on the theory of evolution. What's the answer? Stupidity? Incompetence? A failure to understand science? Dishonesty? Blind faith?

    I look forward to your explanation, free of videos and links, and bible quotes and red herrings and instead addressing the question.
     
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    How do you Bible-splain the water sandwich and the morning-evening reference before the stars? Also the vegetation before the stars and coming from the land and not the sea?
     
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    Sure appearances of people change from generations to generations
    But they are still people.
    These are made possible through interracial marriages
    But then again they are still people.

    What I am after is the evolution of one kind of animal to another like the chart below from a YouTube video about evolution:

    evo1.jpg

    In the chart - it shows the progress of evolution from:
    1. Protozoa
    2. to a Worm
    3. to a Fish
    4. Another fish
    5. Then another fish
    6. Then a reptile
    7. Then a rat
    8. Then a monkey
    9. Then an ape
    10. Then finally a homo sapien

    See the jumps? From a germ to a worm then to fishes then reptiles then a rodent then monkey to man.
    Have anyone seen such transformation? At least witness something like that?
    These things are stuff of Hollywood, aren't they?

     
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