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Featured Why the theory of evolution is so important

Discussion in 'Evolution Vs. Creationism' started by Wild Fox, Mar 31, 2019.

  1. Audie

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    What do you suppose it would do to a committed
    creationist, if they had to come face to face
    with the fact that everything they believe
    re science is completely wrong, and kind of
    bone headed?

    For some, it might be devastating.

    I do know one girl, though, (also from
    Philippies as our hero here is) who was
    raised Catholic, of course.

    Super interesting person. She arrived in
    the USA with Catholic and native PI
    superstitions intact. I dont know what all,
    but one was about "people who are not like
    us" who do evil mischief in the dark.

    There was one... what was it now...that came
    up and I said "You know, that is just a superstition"
    and she was, "Oh?" so I said why, and she paused
    a bit then said, "Ok, I see that is just a superstition,
    I do not believe it anymore" That was how she is
    with all superstitions when they are uncovered.

    It was when we were discussing "Noah's Ark"
    one time while driving somewhere that she
    the light came on and she said, "Now I do not
    believe any of that stuff anymore."

    She later said it was like having this heavy cloud
    taken off her brain. :D

    It is possible, with some very few, to bring them
    out of it and into the 21st century.

    But she did not fight it, she actually is a very smart
    person, and very interested in learning, does
    not want to be an unsophisticated country girl.
     
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  2. SkepticThinker

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    I think the thing about it is, you have to actually be interested in learning what is actually true, versus what you want to be true (and to know the difference between the two).
    I've never actually gotten through to anyone in the way you describe above, but I applaud your friend for being open and honest enough with herself to seriously analyze her beliefs the way she did. If only there were more people like that around.
     
  3. Subduction Zone

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    I truly believe that many of our creationists are much brighter than they appear to be. When one has to defend a rather "dumb" belief one ends up looking rather "dumb" as a result.
     
  4. Audie

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    One is as one does.
     
  5. james dixon

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    The two (2) humans you see below are living today, side by side.

    One did not evolve into the other.

    Evolution is not what caused the two totally diverse development but rather help from an outside source; in my view of things; how about you?


    astronaut.jpg tribe.jpg

    evolution.jpg
     
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    I believe the 'Source' is the Creator, and does not need to help. The human on the right is better adapted to the earth as it is. The one on the left is better adapted to journeys to other worlds, ie technology.
     
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  7. Subduction Zone

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    No "outside source" the difference is due to man himself. Did you have a point?
     
  8. james dixon

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    Yes, I have a point. Many inventions were created or imagined by people right out of the blue. The idea just “came” to them as if in a dream. I believe some of these ideas were implanted into our thought process from an outside source.

    :)-
     
  9. james dixon

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    I too believe there was/is a creator who planted the seed on this planet and then set back to watch it's development into what it is today.

    Having said that, I do not believe this creator would get involved like changing the weather or starting fires to burn away whatever.

    People who blame the Creator for doing something or thank God for doing something are just wrong.
    Yes, God was the creator but He is not a manipulator
    :)-
     
  10. Dan From Smithville

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    I do not know of any evidence that would support this. It would make sense if random people throughout history suddenly invented without benefit of a history of invention, study or scholarship, but the people you mention were often already educated or involved in some invention process.
     
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    I seriously doubt this claim. If one looks into people where ideas came "out of the blue" you will find a history of education and interest in the subject normally. This appears to be an unsupportable claim on your part, in other words it is of no value.
     
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    Most of those 'Eureka!' moments happened to people that were already thinking about problems. People that had knowledge. I have invented and been involved in the invention process. My experience is that it was knowledge already existing in people that lead to the observation, discovery or the 'Eureka!' moment.

    One of the inventions I was involved with came about as an accident that produced anomalous results. Results that might have been ignored as a failure in methodology by many, except that I and all those involved were curious as to why the results developed as they did. That curiosity was a part of the people involved and lead to a really interesting and novel discovery.

    I do not say that you cannot believe that. I have no evidence that it did not happen, but the same is true for supporting it.
     
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    I agree with this at some level. Certainly, God appears to allow things to happen without favoring a particular outcome.
     
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    The reality of this is that you could switch either of these two people in the pictured roles. What separates them are time, cultures, available technology, and education. It was not so long ago, that the ancestors of the astronaut were cloaked in furs, carrying spears and hunting for the tribe.

    Evolution lead to the species you depict, but other factors have lead to the roles that these particular members play in the societies formed by that species.
     
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  15. james dixon

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    I want you to try and look at this from another point of view.

    Just for hypothetical purposes, at some point in our future, presuming we do not blow ourselves up first; in our far-off future we travel to another solar system and come across a planet that could sustain life. Since this planet is lifeless but could support life, we decide to add a bit of genetic life to the system and watch and wait to see what happens next.

    A thousand years later you return and see humans like yourselves walking and living on this planet.

    Would you be inclined to offer some assistance in their further development or not-?
     
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    It is a realistic view of people. I can think of historical precedence supporting it.

    There are clues to the intelligence of a person that can be seen in how they go about what they do, but even intelligent people have supported stupid ideas.
     
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    I think that is what will happen if we are able to find a way to travel to other worlds. In your hypothetical instance, considering who I am now, I would consider it a duty to help them if they needed help or if I--from my perspective--identified areas where help would do them good. This of course would be evidence of my view, actions and the existence of a place that was created by man in which I would take human action. It gives one the idea to hypothesize the origin, existence and nature of life on Earth, but it is not evidence that is how that life on Earth arose or operates.
     
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    It is something to note as an aside, but we do not have to wait for space travel, colonization or people on other planets in need. Those things exist now. There are nations, regions and populations that would approximate the same station in life as you seem to be indicating for the people of your hypothetical world.

    I know people that have gone to other countries, devastated by natural disaster to offer help.

    Just an off topic thought that has nothing to do with your point, but it popped into my head while reading your description.
     
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    Where does this idea that there is no evidence supporting evolution come from? It does not come from scientists, where evidence is so profuse, scientists are tripping over it.

    The evidence of evolution abounds to the point that to describe all of it would require multiple authors and many volumes to summarize it all.

    One of the conditions that one notes upon reading Darwin's "On the Origin of Species" is the volume of evidence that he amassed to include in that work. This includes evidence that was known by previous naturalists before Darwin ever drew breath as well as the evidence he observed or noted.

    The idea that no evidence exists is a fantasy that is most often proposed by those that do not understand much about science or the science they find so distasteful due to its collision with cherished and unsupported beliefs.
     
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    I tend to disagree, the only thing Darwin discovered was a diverse set of animals, fish and plants that in some ways had similar characteristics. He then speculated\theorized that their origins must have come from the same source. His thinking is linear which was the flawed point of view.

    This can be easily debunked by asking one very simple question:

    If humans evolved from monkeys, then why are there still monkeys living in the trees today while we are building skyscrapers instead?

    :)-
     
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