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Featured Why the NT is Historically and Theologically not acceptable for Torath Mosheh Jews

Discussion in 'Scriptural Debates' started by Ehav4Ever, Mar 14, 2021.

  1. Skywalker

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    God doesn't cast Satan into the bottomless pit because he uses Satan to test people, but God doesn't make Satan tempt people. Satan hates people because they are made in the image of God. Satans goal is to being destruction to people and separate people from God.
     
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    Harel13 Am Yisrael Chai
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    True. So far, you seem to be in agreement with my view. Still doesn't explain why god would create such a stupid angel.
     
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    In reality, by rejecting the Jewish Messiah, they have renounced their status as “true” Jews, and that is why Jesus calls them “liars.”
    But this is true of all Jews who have not turned to Christianity (the vast majority of Jews)!

    This distinction between ethnic Jews and faithful Jews is also seen in Romans 9:6 (“Not all who are descended from Israel are Israel”) and Romans 2:28–29 (“For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter”). By their persecution of the true people of God, these unbelieving Jews had become a synagogue of Satan—a gathering of people who were actually following the devil’s priorities.
    Ah, there we go. The distinction between ethnic Jews and spiritual Jews. Knew it was coming. Thanks for proving me right. Your assistance is appreciated. Also, I have a poem on this topic, if you're interested. :)
     
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    Satan is the pit itself. Satan is not a 'who', it's a 'what'.
     
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    God didn't create Satan God created Lucifer. He led a rebellion with one third of the angels.
     
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    Revelation 2:9 and Revelation 3:9 don't say that Jews are of the synagague of Satan because they don't believe that Jesus is the Messiah they are talking about the people who were persecuting followers of Jesus.
     
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    Oh, that's even worse! god created dozens if not hundreds of stupid angels, led by the big buffoon himself.
    Wait, if angels are stupid, and we're convinced to sin because of them, does that make us stupid too?
     
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    So you disagree with what you quoted earlier, then?
     
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    Satan is a fallen angel. God created Satan. Satan was an angel.
     
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    Seems contradictory.
     
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    God allows evil to tempt people to test them.
     
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    Revelation 2:9 and Revelation 3:9 talk about the Jewish people who were persecuting followers of Jesus, not all Jewish people.
     
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    When Saul became a follower of Jesus, his name was changed to Paul. When Lucifer rebelled, his name was changed to Satan.
     
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    If this comes from the Christian bible, please remember that those words were exaggerated. Satan as a fallen angel is a myth/legend.
     
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    Why would G-d give this angel a random Latin name no-one had ever heard of until the Vulgate Bible, not even Christians....
     
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    Even without the Bible you know that evil exists. If there is good, there is evil.
     
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    The Hebrew Bible uses the term Heylel which means shining one. Satan went from the angel of light and music to the adversary of God.
     
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    Where?

    And don't give me a passage about the King of Bavel.
     
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    True... So... Where does the fallen angel narrative come from? :)
     
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    Ezekiel 28 is a reference to the spiritual influence behind the King of Tyre. If someone isn't following God, they are following the other one. Is the king of Tyre prophecy in Ezekiel 28 referring to Satan? | GotQuestions.org

     
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