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Featured Why the NT is Historically and Theologically not acceptable for Torath Mosheh Jews

Discussion in 'Scriptural Debates' started by Ehav4Ever, Mar 14, 2021.

  1. Skywalker

    Skywalker Well-Known Member

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    God allowed the Persian king to take Israel into captivity as part of His judgement against Israel for following false gods, but He didn't cause it. Does God "Create" Evil?

     
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    Harel13 Nin-Jew Master
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    Why should they? Do animals also have free will?
    I see. So you have no answer as to why the verse in Isaiah says that God creates evil.
     
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    The word evil mentioned in Isaiah 45:7 and Amos 3:6 does not refer to moral evil. God judged Israel for following false gods and walking away from Him. Does God create evil? Isaiah 45:7 and Amos 3:6. | carm.org

     
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    Sure...okay then, I'll bite. Therefore, Satan/the devil's evil also isn't moral evil. Just calamity and distress, continuing God's line of calamity and distress.
     
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    God allowed the King of Persia to take the Israelites into captivity because Israel walked away from God and turned to pagan gods. Two looks at Israel's Covenant Failure | BibleProject™

     
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    Why would an angel who works for God tempt people into sin? 3. Satan’s Part in God’s Perfect Plan | Bible.org

     
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    Christianity's claims that the snake is Satan is very weak, considering the latter is never, ever said to being the former. Moreover, this article's claim that the Satan in Job has free will, is arrogant and deceptive is utterly baseless. You can say that the attitude is obvious, but that doesn't mean the attitude is obvious. You can say that Satan assumes men are like him, but since he doesn't actually say that, or hint to it, it doesn't mean that's the case. And so forth.
     
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    2 Corinthians 11:3

    But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

    Revelation 12:9

    And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

    Revelation 20:2

    And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
     
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    For the umpteenth time, quoting the NT to Jews is meaningless and proves nothing. And certainly such a hateful work such as Revelation.
     
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    That has nothing to do with my statement, nor does it strengthen your view.
     
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    You seem to multiply words (Proverbs 10:19), yet apparently only to obfuscate the Jewish culpability discussed in the Law and the prophets such as in Hosea 5, and what is required to overcome the hole the Jewish shepherds have created (Hos 6) & (Ez 34), and who they will all be replaced with. The same kind of pattern found in the approximately 2700 pages of the Babylonian Talmud. A lot of words and no decease in sin coming from them. It seems a lot comes from the Babylonian captivity, such as the official biblical Hebrew, the gods of Babylon, such as Bel/Baal, and the name given to your book of understanding, the Babylonian Talmud. Maybe this is why Yeshua correlated that churches and synagogues with being daughters of Babylon, who would profit off the gods of Babylon and their worship, Christmas sales, and look to the widows and orphans (Mal 3:5), such Bernie Madoff, for increase, via the banking & market system. You have yet to endure the "day of his coming" as a "smelter" of the "sons of Levi", and they remain unpurified. The "fat shepherds", who eat the fat of the sheep, remain un destroyed at this time. (Ez 34:16). The judgement for the rams, goats, and sheep remains in the future.(Ez 34), but appears to be at the door.
    Proverbs 10:19 Sin is not ended by multiplying words, but the prudent hold their tongues

    As for the New Testament, it would be a mix of the good seed, the Word of God, and the tare the hypocrisy mumblings of the Pharisee. For those with ears to hear, it can give clarity, for those without ears to hear (Isaiah 6:9) it will be of no value, and Joel 2 will come about, and those without ears to hear will not "escape" (Joel 2:32).
     
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    God allows Satan to tempt and afflict people but he doesn't cause it. He allowed Satan to tempt Eve and afflict Job but he didn't cause it. Why did God let Satan into the Garden knowing what would happen?

     
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    Excellent, so you agree with me that Satan doesn't do evil from himself but at God's behest.
     
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    Revelation isn't hateful to Jewish people. The Bible says to support Israel. Revelation says that the Jews are hated for being God's chosen people. Where does the Bible say that we should support Israel?

    What is the cause of all the anti-Semitism in the world? | GotQuestions.org

     
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    Revelation 2:9:
    "I know your afflictions and your poverty—yet you are rich! I know about the slander of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan."
    I also wrote a poem in relation to this passage, if you're interested in reading it. :)
     
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    God created Satan with free will he didn't cause Satan to sin. God uses Satan to test people, but Satan is the enemy of God, not an agent of God. 3. Satan’s Part in God’s Perfect Plan | Bible.org

     
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    This sounds contradictory. God both uses Satan and allows him to be an enemy of his?
    Wow, god sure created such a stupid angel to fall for that.
     
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    One possiblity: This specific angel desires to be cursed and to eat dust.
     
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    Revelation 2:9 and Revelation 3:9 doesn't say that Jewish people are of the synagague of Satan, the context of that verse is about people who were persecuting Christians. They were doing the work of the enemy by persecuting Christians. What is the synagogue of Satan in Revelation? | GotQuestions.org

     
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    God doesn't cast Satan into the bottomless pit because He uses him to test people.
     
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