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Featured Why the church of satan is not banned? Is satanism a religion?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by questfortruth, Jul 14, 2017.

  1. questfortruth

    questfortruth Member

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    In the faith realm, the satan is the personalized evil. That is definition of satan.
    So, the satanists must be illegal.

    The satanism does not worship the God, so it is not the Religion.
     
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  2. Kapalika

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    Is this a joke? There is this little thing called freedom of religion. You might of heard of it.

    To the rest... the Church of Satan only defines LaVeyan Satanism. Most of us Satanists today do not subscribe to them and those who do not strictly so. LaVey always struck me as too much of an Ayn Rand and quasi-Nietzsche type.

    Also, even if something is "personified as evil" doesn't make it illegal. That "definition" only fits the shoe of Christianity and (maybe? someone correct me if I'm wrong) Islam. In Judaism for example he isn't evil. Nor is he in Satanism.

    As for the idea that Satanists do not worship "the God" yes many Satanists are atheists, but there are also theistic Satanists who do worship God... Satan to be precise. Although polytheism and pantheism tend to be more popular than any kind of monotheistic form of Satanism. It is very much a religion. I don't know what you mean by "the religion" but it is indeed a religion, deserving of all the same rights and privileges as other religions. At least for the United States, The Satanic Temple has demonstrated this time and time again with many legal victories. I know many people give them crap but I think most Satanists who are critical of them are a little jealous that they actually matter and have made an impact on the world. I consider them very skilled at lesser black magick on a scale unheard of before for Satanism. Plus if you look a bit' deeper they are just as Satanic for real if not more than LaVey was. It's their interpretation that is different is all.

    I personally worship Satan. There are many forms and manifestations of Satan to me. One is what I sometimes call the "Meta-Satan" that is the primordial, nondual, total cosmic essence of opposition itself; the force that creates dualism to branch off from it's singular nature. One of my favorite things to do sometimes is just praise Satan or add my own little mantras or worship when listening to music. I sometimes use this as a guide to make my own music too, which I imbue with magical intention often.

    One song I've been working on, funny enough, it's chorus/idea is based off of some horror mini-series anthology my mom and I watched. In one of them, Satan came to get his only human son and the mailman in one scene revealed he had followed the mom for ages as she ran from the truth, saying he had watched over them and kept them safe all these years. As she freaks out and runs off he uttered a line I thought was as hilariously as awesomely delivered in it's execution, he was rambling a tiny bit then said "Praise his darkness". I loved it so much it inspired a song I'm currently working on based around that phrase! (although said in a little less silly way)
     
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    God is, in kind, a monster. He created a horrible position to trap and trick us into worshiping him, he tried to keep knowledge from us and freedom of will, he claimed to own us and told us we are inherently disgusting beings in need of his love. Satan is the exact opposite, another victim of cosmos law, a perpetrator of freedom, love, self-worth and self-ownership. At least, according to your "true religion."
     
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    If they're not breaking any laws, then there is no legitimate reason to ban them in a free society.
     
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    They are not banned in my country because they aren't known to engage in illegal activities. Not all of us live in theocratic countries, where religious belief is forced on people.
     
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    You guys I think you may be missing the OP's point/definition.

    Within Christianity especially, Satan is seen as enjoying/bringing all things evil, such as murder, rape, theft, lies, adultery etc. OP probably has such a character in mind when defining 'Satanism'. So to OP 'Satanism' would be the allowance/worship of these evil things such as murder and rape, in which case it would be, yes, illegal.
     
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    Then the OP needs to comprehend who the actual villain is in his/her faith. Hint: It isn't Satan.
     
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  8. Rival

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    I think we should let the OP alone about his or her opinions on Christianity, instead of assuming we know more about it and that our opinions are correct.
     
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    This is why state and church (and religion in general ) are better when they are kept separated, folks

    Aum Namah Shivaya
     
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    This is a complex question. First of all, 'Satanism' is a recent movement. I am certain that it is a reaction to extreme superstition about Satan among Christians. Satan became a superstitious figure among Christians so much so that it was thought by many that Satan was a fallen angel. Its hard to be trace, but it appears that this superstition comes from an absurd late adoption of certain ancient ideas about Aeons mentioned by the early Christian writer Irenaeus which then appeared mixed in to Milton's fictional works.

    The adoption appears to be partly the result of the fictional works 'Paradise Lost' and 'Paradise Found' written by Milton. It seems that people felt it would be harmless to play with the idea of a fallen angel. This was not really an extreme deviation from the superstitions already imposed by the clergy, who had indulged various bizarre ideas about Satan, dragons and magic at various times.

    Partly it is due to extreme polarization of Christians since the Reformation. Since the times of the Reformation, there has been a serious antagonism between the Reformed Christians and their original mother the Roman Catholic organization. This antagonism early on forged new accusations, such as the identification of the RC with certain symbols in the book Revelation, plus a complete reinterpretation of many passages of Christian scriptures aimed at criticizing the RC. The result was a mish-mosh of ideas some of which formed and hardened into some very superstitious ideas about Satan, who became an antagonist against God in the minds of many.

    So Satanism is legal, because it is a reaction against superstition among Christians. Therefore it is a religious movement that is legally protected -- provided that it does not endanger anyone or provoke law breaking.
     
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    Through out history, more people have probably been murdered in the name of Christ than in the name of Satan. Do you want to ban Christianity, too?
     
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    Secular law pays scant regard to specific religious definitions of evil and morality.
    Under the ECHR Article 9, all citizens of the European Union have the right to freedom of expression of any religion on earth. As long as in the expression of those religious beliefs they do not disaffect the human rights of other peoples or otherwise involve activities that are criminal. There are some other conditions relating to the balancing of interests.
    If you want to make Satanism a crime, then you are opposed to human rights. The right to freedom of thought conscience and religion is essential, unless you want your nation to degrade into a theocratic fascist state. Which I personally don't.
     
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    What a religion teaches =/= what religious people do.

    After going through the NT I can't see anything justifying Christians killing in the name of their Messiah.
     
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    I don't care who you worship, just don't hurt anyone. This goes for Christians Muslims and Satanists et al. The former two religions certainly have form when it comes to harming people. Satanism on the other hand has yet to launch crusades or conduct witch burnings or employ inquisitors or call for the death of gays or deploy martyrs to blow themselves up amongst women and children....I could go on, the list is endless. If any religion(s) were to be banned on grounds of engendering evil in the world. I know which two I would ban immediately, however I believe in human rights, so I would n't vote to go down the dark path of oppression and thought control, no matter how tempting.
     
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    Corvus Feathered eyeball connoisseur

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    Tell that to the victims.
     
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    The day that happens in my nation I am joining an armed resistance movement. I cannot imagine a more anti human system than that of a theofascist hegemony. I'd rather die than live under the thumb of a Christian or Islamic religious authority.
     
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    Oh no, feelings.

    Just because people have been hurt, doesn't mean that the attacker's religion is to blame. It might be; it might promote violence. Or, it might not. If a Jain went on a shooting rampage, one couldn't blame Jainism because Jainism is totally against violence. The person must be blamed.

    It's a simple concept but people are always too quick to go 'Ah! See? Religion is evil!' rather than 'Oh no, there goes human nature again.'

    Christianity teaches one to 'Love thine enemy', not 'Kill thine enemy with sword and guns'. So violence in the name of Christianity is pretty nonsensical.
     
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    What do you mean by late? According to Wikipedia, Lucifer was already equated with Satan by Origenes (2nd/3rd century). Also in the middle ages this was common, for example in the 13th century in Frauenlob's Kreuzleich (and in several other texts from around that time). Milton is 17th century.

    In regards to Satanism, in a way it can already be found in the ancient Gnostics some of whom venerated e.g. the snake of paradise, Cain, and several interpretations of Lucifer, or to a lesser degree in the Cathars in the middle ages. Those had huge philosophical differences to most forms of contemporaty Satanism, though.
     
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    The evil god is idol, is a false god. The True God is defined as Love. The satan is defined as Hatred. Let us dance further from this Knowledge.
     
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    Do you say, what it is O.K. to wear T-shirt with "I am murder, let us all murder babies" until you kill somebody?
     
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