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Why Thank God

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by ChristineM, Jun 1, 2020.

  1. Secret Chief

    Secret Chief Meghalayan Ape

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    Some bugger has to. Like any country, individuals cannot pick and choose what things their taxes pay for.
     
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    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    If God controlled everything that happens, then we are mere puppets on a string. I simply don't buy into that.

    There's a Jewish commentary that says that when God made all, he made it to be "good" but not "perfect". By doing as such, the world then is ours to make or break, thus giving us the chance to be co-creators with Him.
     
  3. halbhh

    halbhh The wonder and awe of "all things".

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    As far as I know, God generally doesn't interfere in nature, but only in special situations such as in response to some prayers.

    Actually it's interesting that in scripture He just seemed to terminate Moses at 120 when Moses seemed not yet frail. (But, He had set a limit of 120 yrs in Genesis chapter 6).

    For Moses though, it stands out: -- Deuteronomy 34:7 Moses was a hundred and twenty years old when he died, yet his eyes were not weak, and his vitality had not diminished.

    As God chose to just end him right there anyway --
    Deuteronomy 32:49 "Go up into the Abarim Range to Mount Nebo, in the land of Moab across from Jericho, and view the land of Canaan, which I am giving to the Israelites as their own possession.
    Deuteronomy 32:50 And there on the mountain that you climb, you will die and be gathered to your people, just as your brother Aaron died on Mount Hor and was gathered to his people.

    Basically it was: Go up this mountain, look at that land you won't go to, and then die. (one can learn the reason Moses wasn't allowed to go into Canaan, but that's another topic)

    Anyway, this nature we are in has a 100% fatality rate.

    For these bodies.
     
  4. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    Absolutely.
     
  5. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    Yes we do ;-)
     
  6. Harel13

    Harel13 Am Yisrael Chai
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    All Royals? Even the Duke of Whoknowswheretheheckthatlittleshireis? Or just the nuclear Royal Family?
     
  7. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    Do you have validated examples please?


    There are occasions when surgery means that time has not yet come and provides a family extra time with a loved one.
     
  8. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    It has been a little different for about 10 years when the civil list was dropped to be replaced by a sovereign grant. I don't really know who scrounges the cash now.
     
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  9. halbhh

    halbhh The wonder and awe of "all things".

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    Would you believe me if I told you something that sounds nearly impossible though....(?) I did not need to get it confirmed. If you have a sharp and daily pain in a foot that lasts a year and a half and after one prayer it is gone, and does not return, not even after months, not even after years.... It's more like you are amazed and hoping it's for real, and then after a few months of zero pain ever...well...then you realize something quite real happened, and you can't even think otherwise if you try. That was only one of quite a few such dramatic outcomes of various kinds I've had. A variety of different types of things, some physical, some outside of me, some profound changes inside, some in events affecting me, and just a variety. He has no limit in His reach.

    But, yes, if you really believe this mortal life is all there is, then even just a few more years, or months....or hours in some moment, can feel huge.... I can understand that point of view. Even for believers, they can feel they are not ready, and want more time here first. But, we can also feel the most profound security, an ultimate kind.
     
  10. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    I don't think belief counts as validation

    I find it the other way round, those most afraid of death seem to be the ones who believe they will continue after death.
     
  11. halbhh

    halbhh The wonder and awe of "all things".

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    I agree! For me it took something even more impossible and dramatic, finally, to really believe in a more full way.

    About fear of death -- while I've been near death twice, and so I know that territory (and was not afraid the 2nd time). Most have not. You won't know until you are there.... No one can know until they are there. You can be unafraid now....but when you are there, then you will find out if you really are....
     
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    Not for all in any event. My father-in-law during his last days said that we had no idea how frightened he was of death. A friend who was a strong believer in life after death, welcomed death with the sense her life's work was over.

    Of course, they could be exceptions, but I'm not sure how we'd find out how many there are.
     
  13. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    My father has clinically died 3 times. He is a believer in god and is convinced that the only reason he is here today is because god is a lousy poker player.

    Its not a point of being there, its a point of how people feel throughout there lives
     
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  14. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    I can only go off the word of people i have spoken too.
     
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    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    And you just made @ChristineM's point --- you don't think the surgeon and operating theatre professionals had anything to do with it. What, they're just tools in the "Great Surgeon's" hands?
     
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    halbhh The wonder and awe of "all things".

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    I don't agree with the last, reasonable idea, quite. Not quite. We know how we feel now.... I do know from experience that something truly unexpected can happen in feelings. After all, fear is simply an emotion, and those, to me at least, are not always fully predictable. They are only often predictable. Let me put it this way. It's great to know yourself. It means better than before.... But no one does fully. Not quite.
     
  17. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    Its something that cannot be known after death so is only valid while alive
     
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    I believe Christine M has a point. I also believe the father is in heaven and his will is done in earth. I have not fully grasped the relationship of the father to the children.
     
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    How dare you express gratitude towards anyone or anything except me!
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    Gratitude towards doctors is not mutually exclusive to gratitude towards God.

    Okay, so the ego rant portion having been answered... Why Thank God (the non-ego rant portion)?
    If you believe in God, then it makes sense to express your gratitude, because you believe He was involved.
    So that's the fundamental premise that is at contest: God did nothing vs God did something.
    You say: "God did nothing! Why thank Him?!?"
    But the answer to that is: "God did do something! That's why thank Him!"
    You can argue He didn't do anything! But that doesn't change the belief that He did. You're simply at odds with other people on that point (and at odds with general socially accepted terms of expression).
     
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    I don't see that there's any reason to thank God for ordinary things, even if I did believe in God. Otherwise I'd be thanking God every time I have to stop in traffic and my brakes work.

    It would seem to me that it would have to be something positive and extremely out of the ordinary, something truly miraculous that defies the laws of physics (like parting the Red Sea or something of that nature). That would be something worth thanking God for.
     
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