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Why Spanish doesn't fit rock and roll.

Discussion in 'Music' started by Jonathan Bailey, Sep 2, 2019.

  1. Jonathan Bailey

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    It's odd that the musical instrument that dominates rock and roll was invented in Spain: the GEE-tar.

    However, rock and roll is an American invention and the Brits and the Aussies produced a lot of it. Rock and roll beat was devised to fit the meter or cadence of the English language.

    Take Van Halen's "Runnin' With the Devil"

    the chorus line:

    RUN-nin with the DE-vil (6 syllables)


    in Spanish that's

    corriendo con el diablo

    COR-ee-ENN-doh koan ell dee-AH-blow (nine syllables)



    Conversely, Latin music doesn't fit the English language well.

    Take "Feliz Navidad" by José Feliciano (1970)

    fay-LEESE nah-vee-DODD (5 syllables)

    translates to:


    Merry Christmas

    MEHR-ree KRISS-muhss ( 4 syllables, accents on different syllables)
     
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    That's just some Hispanic bastardization of "the beat". It's not true to rock and roll form.
     
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    Santana

    Carlos Santana (born July 20, 1947) is a Mexican and American guitarist who rose to fame in the late 1960s and early 1970s with his band Santana, which pioneered a fusion of rock and roll and Latin American jazz.

     
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    "running with the devil" fits the German language, however:


    Laufen mit dem Teufel

    LAU-fuhn mitt demm TOY-fuhl (same number of syllables, six, and accents, stress points, as English)
    RUNN-ninn with the DEH-vuhl
     
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    but the words are in ENGLISH

    it has to do with the meter of song lyrics

    that song was specifically composed for English words
     
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    I speak Spanish and Italian fluently...the OP has a point, the real real rock needs English to be expressed properly in its linguistic purity.

    What is known as Rock Latino is a original subproduct of Rock n roll
     
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    Why? What if the rock song was written in another language originally? Then if you sang it in English, it wouldn't be "pure" either.

    What about those rock songs where you can't understand a single word they are yelling? That's not linguistic purity either. It's just grunts and screams. "Aaaaaaaa, aaah. Ooooooh, ooh" isn't exactly English either, is it? Is that not real rock and roll?
     
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    I am glad they are different.
     
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    That's just my favorite, If you really know rock you know he has several in Full Spanish. He is kinda famous here's just as good and Spanish but you should all ready know it.

     
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    Total garbage. There's rock music in every language you can imagine, including some extinct ones!
     
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    :musicnotes:È una farfalla che muore sbattendo le ali l'amore che a letto si fa...rendimi l'altra meta':musicnotes:

    :p
     
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    When I was in Italy in 1980, I think, this song was 24/7 on the radio.
     
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    Nice:)
     
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    That song has a Latin beat, not a traditional ROCK beat.
     
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    Italian, French and Spanish are Italic sister languages that spun off of vulgar Latin. English, Dutch and German are in their Germanic family as sister languages.

    It's interesting that "running with the devil" and it's German translation "Laufen mit dem Teufel" are in the exact same meter.

    In Italian this translates to:

    correndo con il diavolo

    cohr-REHN-doh koan eel dee-AH-vaw-loh (nine syllables like Spanish)

    In Greek:

    τρέχοντας με τον διάβολο
    tréchontas me ton diávolo

    TRAY-koan-tahs muh tone dee-AH-vuh-loh (nine syllables and slightly different meter than Italian)


    In Dutch:

    rennen met de duivel
    REHN-nuhn met duh DAVV-vool (exact same meter as English and German)


    In French (Romance language):

    courir avec le diable
    koo-REAR ah-VECK luh dee-AH-bluh (eight syllables, different stress points than English)
     
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    It's just racist gatekeeping, try not to get to engaged
     
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