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Why Socialism is Good?

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by Nakosis, Jun 17, 2019.

  1. Nakosis

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    Then left view of socialism is that socialism equals fairness and equality?

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    And then I think from there the sort of organizing principle of democratic socialism is to move as much of the economy as possible under democratic control. So, to return control of the economy to the people at large instead of a small number of super rich people.
    https://theintercept.com/2019/02/07/whos-really-afraid-of-socialism/

    My question is how do you propose to accomplish this?

    In my view, we can have either fairness or equality, not both. While you can have a compromise between the two, you have to decide which has priority at least.

    Fairness, those who work more, invest more, take more risk should receive greater compensation.

    Equality, the state of being equal. Maybe this work in a legal sense, well not really, but ideally, justice should treat everyone equal. However my life will never be equal to that of a Bill Gates or Warren Buffet. Economically, socially I don't see how fairness is achievable.

    In my view, capitalism is as close to "fairness" as we can possibly get. In tossing out capitalism we also toss out any chance of fairness.
     
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  2. leov

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    We have not seen socialism in real terns yet. Bits an pieces only.
     
  3. Nakosis

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    What is socialism in real terms? My view is government control of property and a lack of privacy. Basically the collective government (whatever form that takes) gets to decide what is best for you. The assumption being this government is and will continue to be benevolent.

    I have trust issues. I don't really believe the government will always have my best interests in mind. Or, am I wrong in my view?
     
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    Liberism is the opposite of Socialism.
    Capitalism means nothing in Political Economics since in any socialist states any Capitalist has a freedom of entrepreneurship.

    I give you an example of Socialism.
    The Whirlpool Italy has decided to close one of his biggest factories in Naples. According to a profit maximization plan, that factory was irrelevant and after a cost-benefit analysis, shutting it down had been considered more profitable.

    The Minister of Industry has clearly forbidden them to close it. Because the Ministery had prepared a plan of investments for that factory.
     
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  5. leov

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    I have the same issue and it is the same with any system which is corrupt.
     
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    Using the Scandinavian model as a starting point would be an excellent idea, imo. Unbridled capitalism is a nightmare, which is why every country on Earth that tried it has discarded it.
     
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    Socialism is a desire for equality without effort. Never been successful. Peace
     
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    Govt is needed to curb extremes in personalities, least govt to get job done is best.
     
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    No country has ever achieved, nor ever will achieve, complete equality. This issue of socialism in reality is to try and make people more equal both economically and politically.
     
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    and reason is Socialism always ceases when it runs out of other people's money.
     
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    Governments tend to consist of extreme personalities.....
     
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    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    Certainly not historically. Capitalism without a safety net proved to be an unmitigated disaster, which is why we abandoned it here in the States almost a century ago.
     
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    They should take lessons from the masters, -22 Trillion $$ and still coming.
     
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    LW or RW soclialism? There's many forms of socialism. You have to be more specific.
     
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    "a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state "
     
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    And no country has that or has ever had that. Even in the Soviet Union and China there was some private enterprise.
     
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    Cut social programs and the debt will be reduced massively.
     
  18. leov

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    True, and dictatorship of proletariat did help much.
     
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    They need it.
     
  20. Nakosis

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    I presume the socialism being promoted by the left. What is being promoted to fix social issues.
     
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