Ceridwen018
Well-Known Member
I do not consider you to be in the category of those pro-choicers who are inconsistent. As far as personhood goes, its got about a thousand and one definitions. I would agree with you that an unborn fetus does not really have "personhood", (At least not an unwanted one. Mothers who want their babies, on the other hand, often become attached to them and attribute personhood to them before they are even born.), however, I would also say that a newborn baby doesn't have "personhood" either.Many, but not all, and not those like myself. As you may or may not have noted, I readily concede that a developing embryo is both "human" and "living". I merely submit that such an embryo is not a "person"; either morally, ethically, or legally.
So the questions remain: What is personhood? When does personhood develop? Is personhood more important than life? Is life allowed to be terminated up until the point it acheives personhood, which would include born babies in many cases?
*Gulp* There really is a lot more to this issue than many people realize.If a woman miscarries, can or should she be prosecuted for her behaviors that may (or may not) have contributed to her miscarriage? If she willfully engaged in energetic sex, or drank excessive amounts of alcohol, or ingested unsupervised amounts of drugs (or smoked like a chimney)...is the mother guilty of "murder", "homicide", or "man(baby)slaughter"? Or is she guilty of abject irresponsible behavior (which may or may not be directly attributable to her initial unintended pregnancy)? If so, then should we not (as a society) prosecute promiscuous consensual sexual activity of any kind?
What if the miscarrying mother is unaware of her pregnancy, or made best efforts utilizing artificial conception to prevent such an unintended pregnancy (like many responsible married/committed couples do)? How does the State even begin to ascertain the facts surrounding a miscarriage? What means, methods, or evidence gathering tools should be implemented to enforce legal protections for any dividing ova? Perhaps any female that is menstruating and demonstrably pre-menopausal should be subjected to State-regulated and mandated pregnancy testing every 5-15 days, to insure adequate responsibility/culpability under the law. How else could a civil society hope to insure the rights of any "person" under the law?
Obviously, in such a situation as a stopped heart there is not much time for alternatives. The point I was trying to make was that in a medical situation such as that one where a patient is fighting for their life, as long as the potential for recovery exists, (much like the "potential for birth" that a fetus posesses), a doctor is obligated to exhaust that potential unless otherwise noted by DNR, etc. However, DNR can be marked as a preference by the patient themselves, whereas an unborn baby cannot speak for itself.Aha! But obvious to whom, and by what unwavering standard? Do doctor's in fact, "play god" (and/or should they...and if so, under what conditions/factors)?
So, who is allowed to speak for the unborn baby? With born babies and children, the state will take them into custody if the parents are unable to care for them or simply unwilling. Obviously it is not that simple with a fetus. The state cannot simply take over guardianship of an unbron fetus. Unless...as you mentioned before, medical science may lead us to an age where embryos can be removed from the woman's womb and be allowed to grow and develop in a sort of uterine petri dish. Is it plausible to expect the government to pay for something like that? Not only for the care of the "unborn" embryos, but for the care of the many parentless children afterwards? Are there enough couples interested in adoption to take the babies off of the hands of the government?