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Featured Why Saint Paul might have had an unhealthy soul

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Estro Felino, Aug 16, 2019.

  1. Estro Felino

    Estro Felino Believer in free will
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    Why Saint Paul might have been a sociopath. By sociopath I mean a person who according to the modern psychiatric discoveries, suffered a sort of bipolar disorder.
    In neuroscience, these subjects are absolutely guiltless since it is due to the fact that the two parts of the brain don't communicate, or tend not to.

    We can sum up what sociopaths like Paul have as main characteristics;
    - lack of empathy or contempt towards suffering
    - Schadenfreude that is, persistent but unwilling joy towards people's mishaps or misadventures, and insufference or hate towards people's joy.
    - Incapability of feeling romantic love and incapability of understanding it.


    Paul probably had a unhealthy sexuality due to physical or hormonal problems. At the same time he felt hatred towards women's beauty.
     
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    Estro Felino Believer in free will
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    My thread is just a summary of the chapter about St Paul present in a new book, Mauro Biglino's Gods and semigods, available in Italian only

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    One thing I cannot stand is the modern trend to try to psychoanalyse and pathologise historical figures based on spurious guesswork and the ridiculous assumption that ancient people thought in pretty much the same way as modern people.

    It's just a narrative fallacy.
     
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  4. Estro Felino

    Estro Felino Believer in free will
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    Saint Paul used to say that women should wear head coverings not to turn angels (?) on..


    I don't think this is a good premise to prove he was normal.
     
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    I would rather use this book to understand St. Paul:
    The Gnostic Paul
    She nailed it.
     
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    What were normal beliefs among Hellenic Jews 2000 years ago?

    For the Hellenic part, in Classical Athens it was considered shameful to refer to a woman by name (unless she was a relative or priestess). Paul's attitude to women was far more enlightened than this, and women could have status in the Early Church.

    Diogenes used to live in a jar, take dumps in the theatre, wank himself off in public and pissed on people who annoyed him. He was considered a great philosopher :D

    This is what I meant about it being ridiculous to assume people in the past had the same mindset as people today and jusdging 'normal' by our standards.
     
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    Paul referred to myth of Sophia ("because of angels") justifying covering which was symbolic as it refers of state of the souls and not to sex. (ref. "Gnostic Paul" Pagels).
     
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    Estro Felino Believer in free will
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    My reflection goes further than that. It is about Christianity and hedonism, because it is Saint Paul that has vilified sexuality, pleasure, beauty to create a religion of frustration and sorrows.

    Saint Paul has created that sick Christianity that for centuries has infested Catholicism, often through wicked monks and nuns.

    This scene is emblematic. In this movie a girl mistreated in a nuns institute, ends up committing suicide. Fortunately defended by one of her teachers.

     
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    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    No, it was really Augustine and the powers that be of the Empire that did that damage.
     
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    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    To me, it seems that Paul was quite bright and had a very strong imagination but maybe too much of the latter.
     
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    As the whole "Paul"story starts out
    with his ridiculous whopper about "Jesus"
    coming to talk to him, everything else he
    says can be taken as being as real as
    what Joseph Smith said about the "gold
    books" he found and translated to the
    Book of Mormon.

    Later on in the "Paul" account we find the
    story of him being bitten by a snake, but
    protected by god from the effects.

    If one analyzes the story, it completely falls apart,
    could not possibly have happened as described.
    The lack of poisonous snakes on the island is just
    one of the problems.

    Once we were safe on shore, we learned that we were on the island of Malta.2 The people of the island were very kind to us. It was cold and rainy, so they built a fire on the shore to welcome us.

    3 As Paul gathered an armful of sticks and was laying them on the fire, a poisonous snake, driven out by the heat, bit him on the hand. 4 The people of the island saw it hanging from his hand and said to each other, “A murderer, no doubt! Though he escaped the sea, justice will not permit him to live.” 5 But Paul shook off the snake into the fire and was unharmed. 6 The people waited for him to swell up or suddenly drop dead. But when they had waited a long time and saw that he wasn’t harmed, they changed their minds and decided he was a god.

    IF the account is not entirely made up, then I'd guess
    he found a harmless snake, and made a show of it
    to impress the rubes





     
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    I see some stunning insights in Paul.

    Of course it is a trauma capturing christians and bringing them to be put in prison or to death and getting a rebuke by the Jewish Messiah that you got it all wrong.

    I like how he was blinded and while he stood blind Jesus said 'i am sending you to open blind eyes'. A tough job indeed without God's help and lots of it.
     
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    I guess you missed the insight about
    the phony snake story, huh.
     
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    Never trust a snake.
     
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    Snakes are more trustworthy than people.

    But I suppose your response is not about that,
    but about how you dont know and dont care
    that the snake story is phony.
     
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  16. Estro Felino

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    I just made a thread ...surely influenced by Biglino's works. But thanks for your open-mindness, Metis;):heart:
     
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    You don't think there are other explanations why you have Paul say one thing in one book, and a completely contradictory thing in another? You have to go to mental illness first? What about this simpler, and widely accepted view of modern scholarship? The later books were not written by Paul at all, but someone trying to normalize the radicality of Paul's early theology to Roman conventions and norms?

    That actually is the consensus opion of scholars. Authorship of the Pauline epistles - Wikipedia

    Now, isn't that simpler than trying to psychoanalyze someone 2000 years ago, when you don't even know what your source material is about?
     
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    viole Metaphysical Naturalist
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    I think he had a sunstroke on his way to Damasco. It happens when it gets very hot, there.

    Ciao

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    He said we women are supposed to wear veils not turn men on.
    I wonder what he would say in a 2019 Rome, in full Summer:p:p
     
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    Sociopathy has nothing to do with bipolar or epilepsy. Autism can involve impairment of empathy but doesn't involve the anti-social traits of sociopathy.
     
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