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Why Profiling Makes Sense and Should Be Done

Discussion in 'General Debates' started by Hubert Farnsworth, Jul 30, 2020.

  1. George-ananda

    George-ananda Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
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    I'm going to disagree with that after tens of thousands of years and through observation and measurement and analysis. I understand your good intentions to make the differences just go away by declaration but nature is what it is and I only try to honestly observe it.
     
  2. George-ananda

    George-ananda Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
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    Understand. They study heredity and environment in the process.
     
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    Shadow Wolf Rival's Wife

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    There are many, many bad cops (I recount numerous instances in Indiana of infuriating cop behaiors). Cops who stay silent about it are enablers and accesories to crime as well as aiding and abetting crime.
     
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    I asked you about this on page 2. How are you going make sure that the profilers are not biased?
    I don't see how it can be done.

    I do think some type of profiling could be used by the cops for certain issues like to decide if a person is drunk and they should go to jail or if they should be given a ride and be fined or get a ride and then pay for the ride home. If it can be done in a reasonable amount of time.

    But not because of their age or race, just on their behavior.
     
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    I guess you and @Shadow Wolf should look at real numbers and drop the inexact qualifiers.
    Or maybe you both can agree upon the following inexact statements:

    1. The majority of police officers (> 50%) do not partake in illegal behaviour.
    2. The majority of police officers (and other law enforcement like DA) do not persecute a fellow officer like they would a usual criminal.
    3. No matter how many bad cops there are or how often they behave in a bad manner, #2 leads to the bad reputation (and ultimately civil unrest).

    All just for the US (but I think that is a global phenomenon, just not in the same dimensions).
     
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    Challenge accepted.

    I am pretty much ignorant about that topic, so the outcome is open for me.
    Proposed modus:
    1. If racism was scientific it should be a global phenomenon. To prevent a local bias, I like to exclude studies from the US about the US.
    2. I think we can agree that in the past there has been some BS. Lets concentrate on this millennium.
    3. You find me a study, not US centric, from 2001 or later, published in a referred scientific journal that promotes scientific racism.

    I will then debunk that study or find a scientific refutation in the scientific communications.

    Deal?
     
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    That is why cops are not good. Why we cannot trust the police. Because at the end of the day we can trust they will cover their own wretches before they stand up for us.
     
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    You are free to disagree with the available data we have on human genetics.
    I just wanted you to know that that's what you are doing.
     
  9. George-ananda

    George-ananda Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
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    The Bell Curve

    And it will always be easy to find proponents and critics of this all over the internet.

    Are you proposing to be the one to solve this yourself once and for all? And you're new to the subject?
     
  10. George-ananda

    George-ananda Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
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    LOL. I look at things like this: The Bell Curve
     
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    1. Last millennium.
    2, Not a scientific study published in a referred scientific journal.
    3. US centric.

    Three fails in one attempt. You aren't really trying.
    I just did.
     
  12. George-ananda

    George-ananda Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
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    LOL. Well I have my own criteria for what I consider serious work for my consideration.
     
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    How does anything in that summary refute what I have posted in this thread so far?

    EDIT: Also, did you realize that a good 50% of that page is made up of criticisms that completely tear the book apart?
     
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    George-ananda Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
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    It doesn't seem the subject is one you are interested in beyond quickly finding what you want to hear. This subject is not the topic of this thread anyway.
     
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    Yes, if you don't want to address my points, then I think it's better to end this conversation. Goodbye.
     
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    Sorry, I'm not sure what you mean, so I'm seeking clarification.
    It seems like you might be suggesting our numbers here would be the same if we had different demographics, and more non-whites..??
     
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    I am saying Australian cities would look a lot more like U.S. cities with higher criminal and social problems statistically if Australia had a legacy of African slavery comparable to the United States' level.

    I understand my view is politically incorrect but I believe it is correct. I do believe in scientific racism as in the controversial book The Bell Curve but I have no hatred or dislike of anyone because of their ethnicity and believe in equality for all.
     
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    I believe it is solid social science work that is politically incorrect and therefore called garbage. I am no bigot and this is an intellectual position that quickly devolves into personal attacks.

    So there you go.
     
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    That just makes you a fool and a bigot.

    Is it a personal attack? Don't ****ing care. We all are.

    In the meantime.....dark chocolate or milk chocolate? I like the dark chocolate cocoa.

    This fool likes the dark chocolate.

    edit: I despise "The Bell Curve"....but life is too short right now.
     
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    I don’t think you are fit to think or talk logically about it . We’ll end this.
     
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