Why Profiling Makes Sense and Should Be Done

[lewisnotmiller]

Yes I do honestly believe that. Belligerent attitudes involved and things can escalate in an ugly way. If one is polite and co-operative from the start problems are exceedingly rare.

Do you believe that cuts both ways?

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Yes I do honestly believe that. Belligerent attitudes involved and things can escalate in an ugly way. If one is polite and co-operative from the start problems are exceedingly rare.

Its exceedingly rare for white people who are polite or impolite or uncooperative for things to escalate with police. Not true of POC. One only has to pay slightly more attention than Fox news to see it.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

What are your thoughts? I have no doubt that this will be a highly controversial thread, but I hope that we can avoid allowing it to go off-topic.

Turns out the white girl is on her way to pump out Jihad babies and the Persian man was on his way here to teach.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Yes I do honestly believe that. Belligerent attitudes involved and things can escalate in an ugly way. If one is polite and co-operative from the start problems are exceedingly rare.

Unless youre mentally ill in a way that affects your speech. Then, even if you are cooperating there are cops who will start quizzing you about being intoxicated.

 

[Heyo]

Expert: US Needs to 'Profile' - Defense/Middle East

Interesting read, I think.

What that article doesn't say is that the Israeli profilers are well trained specialists who discern upon behaviour and body language.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

What that article doesn't say is that the Israeli profilers are well trained specialists who discern upon behaviour and body language.

Even going by body language tends to be something better suited for the movies than real life (anxious responses are especially problematic, especiallyas they arent necessarily difficultto ellicit in most).

 

[George-ananda]

Do you believe that cuts both ways?

Yes, police need to follow their training. If they are walking into a situation where their life could be in instant jeopardy they need to be in a position where they need to affirm strong control.

Putting police people in situations like that everyday is going to affect them mentally and we can only get humans to do this terrible, difficult and stressful job. I still claim the cases of polite co-operative people suffering any harm from police is rare. Cases of police misconduct should not be ignored either.

 

[George-ananda]

Its exceedingly rare for white people who are polite or impolite or uncooperative for things to escalate with police. Not true of POC. One only has to pay slightly more attention than Fox news to see it.

Most or all the public cases I've seen involved people displaying belligerence and troublesome behavior. I am certain that a polite co-operative person being harmed by police is rare case that needs to be dealt with. And the good people of the POC community would prefer a stronger and more involved police presence in their community..

 

[George-ananda]

Unless youre mentally ill in a way that affects your speech. Then, even if you are cooperating there are cops who will start quizzing you about being intoxicated.

May be, but if the person remains polite and co-operative things will sort themselves out and only in rare cases will the person actually be harmed. They are more likely to be inconvenienced I agree but that is part of the cost of having police who are not mind readers.

 

[Augustus]

The innocent among the profiled group have nothing to fear and will have greater safety even for themselves.

Nothing to fear in terms of being sent to prison maybe, but you still have to go through the process of them establishing you are innocent, and this process is often very invasive.

What you seem not to appreciate is that being polite and cooperative with customs/immigration may still result in being detained for an hour +, people inspecting every one of your possessions, going through your phone including social media, photos and private messages, missing your ongoing connections and having a strange man touch your cock and balls.

Almost all of the 'nothing to fear' crowd would be apoplectic with rage if the above happened to them even once.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Most or all the public cases I've seen involved people displaying belligerence and troublesome behavior. I am certain that a polite co-operative person being harmed by police is rare case that needs to be dealt with. And the good people of the POC community would prefer a stronger and more involved police presence in their community..

You're wrong on both counts. POC would be crucified by the same sort of behavior white people do. Such as multiple armed takeovers of federal buildings, shouting in police faces, brandishing weapons. Black and Hispanic people are more likely to be shot for the same offenses even when unarmed.

And POC are out there with the rest of us calling for an end of police brutality.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

May be, but if the person remains polite and co-operative things will sort themselves out and only in rare cases will the person actually be harmed. They are more likely to be inconvenienced I agree but that is part of the cost of having police who are not mind readers.

Its not sorting out well when it basically becomes an interrogation and you havent even been detained.

 

[George-ananda]

Nothing to fear in terms of being sent to prison maybe, but you still have to go through the process of them establishing you are innocent, and this process is often very invasive.

What you seem not to appreciate is that being polite and cooperative with customs/immigration may still result in being detained for an hour +, people inspecting every one of your possessions, going through your phone including social media, photos and private messages, missing your ongoing connections and having a strange man touch your cock and balls.

Almost all of the 'nothing to fear' crowd would be apoplectic with rage if the above happened to them even once.

There is a trade-off between reducing the number of bad people getting away and increasing the number of good people getting bothered. Where should that balance fall when society expects police to keep society safe?

 

[George-ananda]

You're wrong on both counts. POC would be crucified by the same sort of behavior white people do. Such as multiple armed takeovers of federal buildings, shouting in police faces, brandishing weapons. Black and Hispanic people are more likely to be shot for the same offenses even when unarmed.

And POC are out there with the rest of us calling for an end of police brutality.

Well we are not going to agree on anything then. I hear excessive emotional paranoia in that against what I believe to be overwhelmingly good human police officers and you probably hear a white racist position from me. Can't change emotions by debating.

 

[Left Coast]

I can agree with demographic profiling based on statistical disproportions. The innocent among the profiled group have nothing to fear and will have greater safety even for themselves.

I remember when we said that about the PATRIOT Act.

Fool me once.

 

[George-ananda]

Its not sorting out well when it basically becomes an interrogation and you havent even been detained.

Well what is the other side of the coin? Do you want less involved officers and more bad people getting away?

 

[George-ananda]

I remember when we said that about the PATRIOT Act.

Fool me once.

How were you fooled?

 

[Left Coast]

How were you fooled?

Here's a summary:

Surveillance Under the USA/PATRIOT Act

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Well what is the other side of the coin? Do you want less involved officers and more bad people getting away?

Cops NEED training for dealing with and recognizing the mentally ill. Being harassed by pigs because you're an Aspie and talk like it shouldn't happen. Anyone familiar with the disorder can usually and easily pick up on it. Piggly-wigglies just hear a slower rate of speech with an unusual meter and suddenly you're having to prove your innocence.

 

[George-ananda]

Here's a summary:

Surveillance Under the USA/PATRIOT Act

ACLU, that is one opinion to consider but I am not always impressed by them.