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Featured Why One May Never See God

Discussion in 'Theological Concepts' started by Ostronomos, Jun 1, 2018.

  1. Ostronomos

    Ostronomos Active Member

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    Because reality is hard to see.

    If we work on this premise, we can prevent deceiving ourselves by distinguishing the differences between God and blind nature. For example, one may walk around in pitch black darkness and experience one's fear rising. Since mind = reality, you are transparent and your thoughts may become manifest unless one takes full control. According to Christopher Michael Langan, author of the CTMU, you are transparent to the Global Conscious Agency God which means God is there in the room with you as God sees all. Either that or you must enter that realm in which God exists for It to see you.
     
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    Why does God make it so hard for us to see him/her?
    Wouldn't God have many more followers if she just revealed herself instead of playing childish mind games?
     
  3. Ostronomos

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    Perhaps it was a glitch that occurred at the inception of reality. For instance, the departure of Quantum Mechanics and General Relativity. It is not a voluntary choice.
     
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    What is the definition of God? If you know the definition then you know if it is hard or not and why IMHO.
    Some people say "God is bigger than the biggest and smaller than the smallest"
    If that were true then I get it "hard to see God"
    So what is your definition? Then maybe I can tell you [but don't hold your breath;)]
    [I expect I won't be able to tell you]
     
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    This "CTMU" is quite a mess, isn't it? I read some of its postulations, figured others were having just as much trouble as I was wading through it, and so I looked up some criticisms, one of which stood out to me as extremely spot-on, written by a Ph.D. in elementary particle theory (Stanford). A few pertinent excerpts from his assessment:

    "...jargon serves a legitimate purpose [in science and mathematics]: it is easier for a topologist to refer to “homologous cycles” than repeat each time the hundreds (or thousands) of words encapsulated in that phrase of jargon. If someone in the field finds it necessary to introduce new jargon, he has an obligation to explain to everyone what it means, and he should not introduce new jargon unless it is really needed. That’s Langan’s problem: his CTMU masterpiece consists largely of undefined jargon, not known to real experts and not explained by Langan himself. That is the sure sign of a crackpot."

    The above so well described what I felt I was reading from the "CTMU" documentation, as I came across phrases like "closed descriptive manifold" and attempts at coining words like "syndiffeonesis." You will only find these items in reference to the "CTMU"... no one else uses them, mostly because they have no use - other than to dupe people into believing that this "CTMU" has merit simply because it sounds extremely intelligently conceived and is mostly incomprehensible.
     
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    Perhaps you are biased with atheistic preconceptions that work to hinder your understanding? As Langan has pointed out on Quora, professionals are ill-equipped to fit the non-academic writing style Langan uses into their world view. I am not necessarily agreeing with it, but I feel the need to defend the CTMU as something more than what it is perceived to be by those untrained and unfamiliar with it.

    [This statement is a statement]is false]is false]

    CTMU reality is analytically self-contained. It mirrors reality as a theory. It describes perception as its model. It is built by logic, not empiricism. This is because God is a non-objective cognition so the scientific method is ill-equipped to be of any merit to it.
     
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    Except for the simple fact that reality is not especially difficult to see. Strangely, why do you refer to God and a blind nature? An equal possibility is a blind god and an emergent nature that is quite aware of its own being. Perhaps it's god that is the oblivious one. Maybe that is why human animals have sought to worship their visions of god throughout the ages - to simply wake god up to the perception of its own station, maybe it doesn't see it. Likewise, if god is right there in the room with you why would one need to enter God's realm, as theoretically, they already coexist?

    Personally, the CTMU doesn't seem particularly groundbreaking and seems more as a fixation on intellectual navel gazing. There are some rabbit holes not worthy of exploration.
     
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    God doesn't play mind games and God does not play fair. Nature or God or cosmos is always plays with a two headed coin Nothing random and absolutely not the intellect. It's always heads nature wins regardless
    john-muir-quote1_031a7f3e-3329-454d-89e5-bcef4c283015.jpg
     
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    Rather convenient too. So this remarkable theory cannot be verified. Righto!
     
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    None of your reasoning above excuses the fact that Langan's writing style and usage of fabricated-on-the-spot "high-brow" terminology makes it mostly inaccessible to even people in his own "field." I mean... unless people in his field enjoy having to stop every few moments to piece together the supposed meaning of each new make-believe word/phrase/usage they come across in the writing.

    My guess is that people more like to pretend that it is all so clever, and that they understand what it means, like to pat one another on the back and talk about what amazing implications there are... except that no one goes on to use the information for the advancement of anything.
     
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    Reality is much more than what you see before you. Can you see entanglement? Superposition? Quantum Mechanisms perhaps?

    This would assume that humanism and the flaws of human nature are largely capable of negating the possibility of an omnipotent being due to mere physical incompatibility.

    They are as different as Quantum Mechanics is to Classical Physics. Hence, it is necessary to make that transition based on the uniqueness and accessibility that is granted by one's genetic code.

    This may also be a preconceived notion of atheism.
     
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    How could you possibly know what I see, conceive or enjoy as part of my experience? Moving the goalposts is not especially edifying intellectual argumentation. I utterly sneer when I hear laypeople begin to wax on about entanglement, superposition and Quantum Mechanics, in general, as they don't likely have a very keen grasp of the topics they have sought to include.

    If you say so.

    And when one has done this, then what? For the record, in my own experience, it was more a foible of my psyche than it was a happenstance of my genetic code, although that could be a minor factor.

    As opposed to quasi-theistic finger waving quackery?
     
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    It cannot be verified by consensus. It can however be verified by a type of distributed solipsism based on individual observation.
     
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    Oh, good grief. That's the best we can expect? Seriously?
     
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    I was only throwing those out as examples of what can be offered in the way of demonstrating reality as hard to see.

    They would become privy to secrets that are not widely known or accepted. Hence they would have an advantage in their everyday lifestyle by adaptability.

    This dismissal does not jive with reality. It is a subjective interpretation.
     
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    Yes. There is still more to be had by such a predicament. Mathematical proofs for instance. For example, I'd like to present the Resolution to Newcomb's Demon for your viewing pleasure.
     
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    This is the problem, nobody knows what god is. She is different to different people.
    My definition is: - an invented crutch to explain the unknown, exploited by the leaders to control and make money.
     
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    That's clear theno_O
     
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    I define God as a non-objective cognition that holds ultimate reality together at its seams and is not apparent in the matter we perceive on a Classical level. It is a universal mind that assumes no particular shape or form. And It changes with time, just like everything else. It can also assume non-existence and existence generated by an observer. But only in the presence of an observer. It has no independent existence otherwise. The latter part is a personal observation and should not be set in stone.
     
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    From so far Ive been on RF god reveals himself hourly by the patterns spoken by all religious and non-religious. Topics of discussion. Bias. Arguments. Theology. They all have a basic theme and its very very human. Call it computers, cosmos, universe, make it grand, tangle, untangible. Loveable or hateable, whatever.

    Like a computer game defending and fighting invisible friends or enemies.
     
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