Why no avatar..?

[Aupmanyav]

Synagogue at Capernaum. Built between 2nd to 4th century AD.

Second Temple, Western Wall compound.

Katzrin Muaseum, floor of a synagogue in Maoz Haim dating back to 400 - 600 AD.

 

[MikeDwight]

Those who were killed are no more. Germans, Russians, Europeans, Americans, Japanese, Indians too who fought along with the Allies. But we need the welfare of those who now live on earth - Humans, animals, Vegetation - as I said none excluded.

"Dyavah shaantih Antariksham shaantih, Prithivee shaantih Aapah shaantih;
Oshadhayah shaantih Vanaspatayah shaantih, Vishvedevaah shaantih Brahma shaantih;
Sarvam shaantih Shaantireva shaantih, Saamaa shaantiredhih."

May peace radiate there in the whole sky, as well as in the vast ethereal space everywhere.
May peace reign all over this earth, in water and in all herbs, trees and creepers.
May peace flow over the whole universe, May peace be in the Supreme Being Brahman.
And may there always exist in all peace and peace alone, peace, peace and peace to us and all beings!
Shanti Mantra

Haha OK well! I knew some of this line of thinking. Your answer about all this was education over a Nazi symbol, however, which isn't hardly any better than saying the Nazis are important and split hairs. Thanks for 3 people jumping on this. I suppose? You just now started even properly applying the idea of the immovable opinion and attachment of the Indian subcontinent to these symbols. (hooray!)

 

[SalixIncendium]

Haha OK well! I knew some of this line of thinking. Your answer about all this was education over a Nazi symbol, however, which isn't hardly any better than saying the Nazis are important and split hairs. Thanks for 3 people jumping on this. I suppose? You just now started even properly applying the idea of the immovable opinion and attachment of the Indian subcontinent to these symbols. (hooray!)

 

[Quagmire]

As far as using the swastika, have to ask: do the reasons for using it outweigh the reasons for not using it? And if the answer is an obvious no, what does that say about the person who uses it anyway?

 

[Aupmanyav]

Your answer about all this was education over a Nazi symbol, however, which isn't hardly any better than saying the Nazis are important and split hairs.

Nazism and its symbol are in the gutter of history though some in Europe still cling to it.

As far as using the swastika, have to ask: do the reasons for using it outweigh the reasons for not using it? And if the answer is an obvious no, what does that say about the person who uses it anyway?

Well, that is your view. It depends on the sense a person uses it. In my culture, it is a dearest symbol of a message of welfare of all things existing on Earth. You find it everywhere. In temples, in account books of traders, on the implements of a worker, on the entrance of a house, on invitation for auspicious occasions. The question really is where you may not find it? It is put on the head of a male child twice - at the time of his first tonsure (mundana) and when he is given the sacred thread (yajnopavita). You know that very well, so, kindly be fair in your judgment.

 

[Vinayaka]

I can't see getting a billion people to stop using it, because it resembles a symbol that connotes a horrible time on this planet.

 

[SalixIncendium]

As far as using the swastika, have to ask: do the reasons for using it outweigh the reasons for not using it? And if the answer is an obvious no, what does that say about the person who uses it anyway?

That they don't change their lives because someone bastardized a symbol they hold sacred.

 

[Marcion]

Thanks for 3 people jumping on this. I suppose? You just now started even properly applying the idea of the immovable opinion and attachment of the Indian subcontinent to these symbols. (hooray!)

The symbol was also used by people outside of India on all continents for many thousands of years.
It has a profound spiritual/metaphysical meaning that appeals to all.
The nazi's used it yes, but the swastika does not stand for national-socialism.
It has become associated with it only in a limited part of the world.

 

[Aupmanyav]

BTW, the 'Swasti hymns and verses' that I referred to were written at least 3,000 years ago, before the Vedas were codified. We still think the same way after this much period of time.

 

[Quagmire]

That they don't change their lives because someone bastardized a symbol they hold sacred.

How about answering both questions.

 

[SalixIncendium]

How about answering both questions.

I thought my inclusion of the fact that there are those that hold the symbol as sacred was apparent as an answer to the question about the reason for use outweighing the reason for non-use.

 

[Quagmire]

Nazism and its symbol are in the gutter of history though some in Europe still cling to it.Well, that is your view. It depends on the sense a person uses it. In my culture, it is a dearest symbol of a message of welfare of all things existing on Earth. You find it everywhere. In temples, in account books of traders, on the implements of a worker, on the entrance of a house, on invitation for auspicious occasions. The question really is where you may not find it? It is put on the head of a male child twice - at the time of his first tonsure (mundana) and when he is given the sacred thread (yajnopavita). You know that very well, so, kindly be fair in your judgment.

The swastika's religious significance isn't in question. Your motives for using it in a community with a significant Jewish membership is what's up for debate.

 

[SalixIncendium]

I think it's important here to make the distinction that for some it's a symbol of their religious beliefs while for others it is/was a symbol of a political movement.

 

[Quagmire]

I thought my inclusion of the fact that there are those that hold the symbol as sacred was apparent as an answer to the question about the reason for use outweighing the reason for non-use.

That you had even considered the first question was less than apparent.

 

[SalixIncendium]

That you had even considered the first question was less than apparent.

Hopefully, my elaboration has offered clarity.

 

[SalixIncendium]

I will also offer that the symbol for the Nazi party was call the hakenkreuz, or hooked cross in English. The fact that it resembles a swastika doesn't make it so. Nor should the swastika's use in religion bear the same stigma as the hakenkreuz.

"The Nazis' principal symbol was the hakenkreuz, "hooked-cross" (which resembles the Swastika) which the newly established Nazi Party formally adopted in 1920.[3] The emblem was a black swastika (hooks branching clockwise) rotated 45 degrees on a white circle on a red background. This insignia was used on the party's flag, badge, and armband."

Nazi symbolism - Wikipedia

 

[Aupmanyav]

How about answering both questions.

I think I have answered both the questions in my post # 45.

The swastika's religious significance isn't in question. Your motives for using it in a community with a significant Jewish membership is what's up for debate.

My reason is explained in my post # 21. It may be a misconception among a few people which I want to remove.

I will also offer that the symbol for the Nazi party was call the hakenkreuz, or hooked cross in English. The fact that it resembles a swastika doesn't make it so. Nor should the swastika's use in religion bear the same stigma as the hakenkreuz.

Hakencruez or the reversed Swastika is a Buddhist symbol and a symbol of left-hand practices in Hinduism, which is considered not good for general public and is deprecated. we never make it like that and also never in black.

"The counterclockwise sauvastika is less used; it connotes the night, and in tantric traditions it is an icon for the goddess Kali, the terrifying form of Devi Durga."
Swastika - Wikipedia

 

[Rational Agnostic]

Just curious if there is a particular reason that @Apocolypse, @Orleuge, @Vinayaka, @pcarl, @Hubert Farnsworth, @tas8831, @Frank Goad, @calm and @whirlingmerc don't have an avatar. I'm not complaining about it, but more curious than anything.

For me, it's sheer laziness.

 

[Skwim]

Years ago it seemed everyone had an avatar. I think they should be mandatory. It would make looking for a particular poster a whole lot easier.

In fact, let's start a campaign for making avatars mandatory, even if I have to select them myself.

.

 

[Quagmire]

Hopefully, my elaboration has offered clarity.

Not really.

But since this isn't a debate thread I'll leave it at that.

People can draw their own conclusions.