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Featured Why Jesus Will Never Return and How the Bible Refutes Itself

Discussion in 'Biblical Debates' started by Hubert Farnsworth, Jun 4, 2019.

  1. sooda

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    This armageddon was an event in the first century and the message of Revelation was to give hope to the true people of God.
     
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    In this authoritative book, Gary DeMar clears the haze of "end-times" fever, shedding light on the most difficult and studied prophetic passages in the Bible, including Daniel 7:13-14; 9:24-27; Matt. 16:27-28; 24-25; Thess. 2; 2 Peter 3:3-13, and clearly explaining a host of other controversial topics, including:

    • The Meaning of Near, Shortly, Quickly, and "This Generation"
    • The Prophetic Discourse of Matthew 24
    • The Rebuilt Temple
    • The Abomination of Desolation
    • The Man of Lawlessness
    • The Meaning of 666
    • The Return of Jesus
    • The Cursed Fig Tree
    • The Passing Away of Heaven and Earth
    • The Antichrist and Armageddon
    • The Rapture
    • The Identity of "Mystery Babylon"
    • And so much more....
    In this book, DeMar tests your views and renews your zeal for the living truth. This is the most thoroughly documented and comprehensive study of Bible prophecy ever written! Last Days Madness will be your survival guide and spiritual compass to ensure you escape the paralysis of last days madness.
     
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    The Reverend Bob Fart Machine and Beastmaster

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    He does a **** poor job if he does
     
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    The Olivet discourse or the final sermon of Jesus near the Mount of Olives refers to two main events. First the destruction of the Jewish temple and the plight of both the Jewish peoples and the Christians. The second event is the Return of another great Spiritual Teacher or Christ and the signs that will herald His coming. They are two seperate, yet related events. Clearly the first set of events took place within a generation. The second set of events could be attributed to Islam and Muhammad. Baha'is also believe some of these verses refer to our prophet, Baha'u'llah. Whether or not the Baha'i Faith will emerged alongside both Christianity and Islam and surpass them both, only time will tell. The reality that Muhammad brought a revelation from God comparable to Jesus is clear to many.
     
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    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    Question for you: why does an omniscient, omnipotent God need a "final judgment?" Isn't one judgment enough, for one so supremely gifted?
     
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  6. Enoch07

    Enoch07 It's all a sick freaking joke.
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    It's easy to refute a strawman.

    This is not a teaching of Christianity.

    Incorrect, this defies the purpose of Jesus conquering death by arising from his tomb, but not in a fleshly form.

    Incorrect the rapture is a false doctrine and is not Biblical. It's also conflicts with your previous statement that Jesus was supposed to come back within the lifetime of the people that lived in His day.

    This is the woman that came up with the false doctrine of the rapture. She was born in 1815. So how can her doctrine apply to your claim Jesus was returning shortly after his death?
    Margaret MacDonald (visionary) - Wikipedia

    The rest of your post about scripture is just as nonsensical as your misunderstandings of basic biblical knowledge above. So no need to swat them down one at a time. You're trying to tackle college level academia with only a pre-school level of understanding of the subject. I suggest you study more.
     
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    The Olivete discourse proclaimed in Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21, was fulfilled in the first century.

    If you reject that statement, let me remind you that Messiah declared “Verily I say unto you, this generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.”

    Too many people put aside Messiah’s clear proclamation, but I take Him at His Word, and have proven how indeed it was all fulfilled in that generation.

    The Olivet Discourse Deception
     
  8. Hubert Farnsworth

    Hubert Farnsworth Well-Known Member

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    I don't know what version of "Christianity" you are familiar with, but it was the central teaching in the churches that I grew up attending. In fact, belief in the propositions I alluded to in the first paragraph of my OP was required for membership in said churches.



    I don't know what bible you read, but the idea of the rapture is clearly biblical: Matthew 24:39-41: "And they were oblivious, until the flood came and swept them all away. So will it be at the coming of the Son of Man. Two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left.…"

    This passage is found in the same chapter in which the same erroneous prophecy regarding Jesus' second coming is found yet again.

    Similarly, Mark 13:26-27, already referenced in the OP, "At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. And He will send out the angels to gather His elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of heaven."

    Clearly, a rapture is alluded to. And the timeframe in which it was prophecied to have occurred has long since expired.

    It's easy to use an ad hominem attack and say I have a "pre-school" level of understanding when all of my points were entirely logical and you simply cannot refute them.
     
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    Hal Lindsey gave futurism a real boost when he wrote Late Great Planet Earth.
     
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    Rapture Doctrine invented by John Darby in 1830 AD - Bible
    www.bible.ca/rapture-origin-john-nelson-darby-1830ad.htm
    The origin of Rapture False doctrine: John Darby 1830 AD. ... And the bad will remain in Gehenna; The righteous will fly up to the height, And the sinners will burn in fire." (Syraic text of Pseudo-Ephraem) 3. The Latin text of Pseudo-Ephraem does not teach Rapture theology since the saints suffer and die during the tribulation: a. ...
     
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    10 Reasons the Rapture Should Be ... - Stephen D Morrison
    www.sdmorrison.org/10-reasons-the-rapture-should-be-left-behind
    The fruit of the rapture is usually bad theology, poor stewardship, or blatant manipulation. Which is not to say that all who believe in the rapture are like that, but it is to say something. The rapture messes with people’s well being. (I know it did mine, back when I thought it was true!) #5 Rapture Jesus is Angry
     
  12. Enoch07

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    Not surprising you have such a poor understanding of Christianity. You come from some psuedo-christian occult of some sort sounds like.

    Really? Please quote the scripture with the word "Rapture" in it. You can't of course because the word doesn't appear in the Bible even once.

    You are twisting scripture to support your strawman so that you can easily refute it. It's a lame tactic atheist have been using for years. :rolleyes:

    The rapture was conceived by a mentally ill woman in the 1800's as cited in the article in my other post. It's a relatively new idea, compared to the long history of Judeo-Christian beliefs. It might as well be straight from Satans lips as it's intended to deceive weak minded people.
     
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    Samuel Untermeyer - Historicist.com The Protestant ...
    Samuel Untermeyer - Historicist.com The Protestant Interpretation of Biblical Prophecy. The Historical Alternative
    Samuel Untermeyer had a lifelong interest in Zionism. He and the leaders of the Jewish Theological Seminary wanted to inject their beliefs into Christianity in America. But had they attempted to introduce their ideas into the dominant protestant culture of 1900, they would have been ignored.
     
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    The Preterist perspective has a lot of merit and the argument about everything being fulfilled within that generation is certainly compelling. However it overrides a belief in an Omnipotent God who communicates through Prophets AND the Revelations from God that have come after Jesus including Islam and the Baha'i Faith.
     
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    He sounds like an intelligent design Apologist to an atheist. Kinda nonsesical isnt it..... And thus the religious vs science debate exists not any any depth but lacks depth all the way around. Btw i also agree, you are correct.
     
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    Wow creationism in secular drag amazing. Bigfoot is a really interesting topic love bigfoot.
     
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    Sorry your understanding of a religious 'age' (aeon) is awful; a generation in context of what Yeshua is referring to, is the fulfillment of the Messianic prophecies.

    Biblical timeline:
    • This Generation (Age) -
    • The 2nd temple destruction, happens because their leaders killed the Messiah (Zechariah 11), which then places...
    • The Curse of Moses (Deuteronomy 28), where the children of Judah shall be persecuted from nation to nation, and the Gentiles shall think they reign....
    • Judah makes a false peace treaty, which causes all nations to come against her, and then...
    • The Rivers of Fire cleanse reality (Deuteronomy 29:19-27), which is where we see the sun and moon change...
    • Then 'those who shall reign with God' (Israel), are resurrected in a new earth (Deuteronomy 30:1-10) without any demonic energies.
    • - Then the Messianic age.
    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    I tend to agree with this interpretation of Matthew 10:23 ibelow nstead which is in agreement with Revelation’s prophecies by Jesus of His return in the latter days.

    [till the Son of man be come] The cities of Israel will not be "gone over" (Greek: teleo (GSN-<G5048>), completely evangelized) before the second coming. This is literally true. They were not fully evangelized by the early church because of the persecution of early Christians and because of the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D

    If you read the preceding verses in that chapter Christ clearly told His disciples to enter every town to preach the Gospel but stated in v23 that due to persecution the cities of Israel will not have been converted or spiritually turned towards belief in Jesus till after He has returned and although I believe He has already returned it does not say how long after Jesus return will Israel believe.

    Interpretation of ‘gone over’ is made clear by Jesus referring to the evangelising of Israel in preceding verses which never happened at that time so He was referring to His return in the latter days not then.
     
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    All the way thru the Bible a generation is 40 years.
     
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