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why it's always ( ISLAM vs. CHRISTIANITY )

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by TashaN, Aug 19, 2005.

  1. Mujahid Mohammed

    Mujahid Mohammed Well-Known Member

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    These are all implied I mean literally and clearly. I am God worshop me. And if he is God who was he praying to on the cross. And who was the one who sent him. How did he send himself.
     
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    The concept of ther trinity has been explained numerous times on this thread alone.:banghead3
     
  3. Mujahid Mohammed

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    forgive me Michel, I understand the whole idea behind it I just want someone to give me the verses where Jesus says I am God worship me very clearly and plainly. The only response I ever get is these verses where the idea is implied. It is never very clear, it is as if Jesus speaks in riddles at times. My father in law is a Calculus teacher if he left all his lessons about math with implied ideas and his students constantly trying to interpret what he means and what he says noone would ever really get and he would lose his job. He tells me he tries as a teacher to explain these things to where everyone can understand it very clearly. He never leaves it to ones own interpretation. The words of Saint Paul are held by most of Christianity in the highest regard, and this is understandable since he is the primary author of the majority of the books of the New Testament. However no matter what role St. Paul played in the defintion and spread of Christianity, when displaying respect for the teachings of Paul, it is necessary not to lose sight of the fact that he is in no way equal to Jesus, nor should his command be placed before the command of Jesus if we were to find them to differ from one another. No one, not even Paul or the apostles of Jesus has this right, since they are all, after all, subordinate to Jesus Christ himself. However were we to study the religion known today as "Christ"ianity we would find that it is the interpretation of St. Paul of what he personally believed to be the religion of Jesus. As it stands today it has been reduced to an interpretation of the words of Jesus within the context of what Paul taught rather than the other way around which is the way it should be. We would expect the expect Christianity to be the teachings of Jesus and that the words of Paul and everyone else would be accepted or rejected according to their conformity to his teachings. However we always see in the examples given that Jesus never in his lifetime mentioned an original sin, atonement, he is god or he was part of a Trinity. He only told his followers to do the same and to worship God alone. (John 4:21,4:23 Mathew 4:10, Luke 4:8) If a person uses the current sytem of interpretation the words of Jesus within the context of Pauls. Jesus never actually means what he says but is constantly speaking in riddles which are not to be taken literally. Even when people attempt to cite the words of Jesus as confirming the teachings of Paul with regard to the foriginal sin, the atonement, the trinity, etc. they never bring clear and decisive words where Jesus actually confirms these things. Instead they use such things as " when Jesus spoke of the exodus he was really speaking of atonement" or so forth. Are we all to believe that Paul is the only one who can say what is on his mind clearly and decisively while Jesus is not capable of articulating what he means clearly and decisively but requries interpreters to explain the "true" meaning of what he said, and to explain how. This is what I do not understand I just want them to explain why these things are and give me a CLEAR AND DECISIVE VERSE where he states these things thats all.
     
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